Amish Survived COVID Better Than Most by Never Locking Down, Shuttering Churches

[JohnEmmett]

I don't really care for the odds


I think the vaccine is dangerous

 

[mama2one]

I think the vaccine is dangerousT]

as have many about to go on a ventilator who beg the nurses to give them the vaccine & nurses say "it's too late"



Nurse says patients in ICU with Covid-19 begging for vaccine - CNN Video


Patients ‘beg for vaccination’ when it is too late: ICU nurses

 

[JohnEmmett]

nurses say "it's too late"

 

[RDKirk]

Excellent post. Thank you. We are being tricked into seeing each other as black-or-white parodies of certain positions by the media. That is generally not true.

Thank you for giving real-life examples of nuance, opinions, and behaviors which don’t fit into a media caricature of someone who is not interested in the vaccine.

I'd like to see that attitude practiced by people across the board of various issues.

 

[mama2one]

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[JohnEmmett]

Drs have no idea how to treat it

Vitamin D helps


(prior to becoming sick)

 

[RDKirk]

Vitamin D helps

Vitamin D has not been shown to be an effective remedy to covid.

However, there is evidence that people who had sufficiently high levels of vitamin D prior to contracting covid enjoy better survival results.

Most people are woefully deficient in vitamin D, and the FDA recommendations for supplementation are not enough to raise them to sufficiency. In tropical locations where people easily and reliably get enough sunlight to depend on sunlight alone for as much vitamin D as the body is able to produce, it's been noted that vitamin D levels top out naturally at about 80 ng/mL IOW, give the body enough sunlight to produce as much vitamin D as it needs, and it will produce about 80 ng/mL and stop there.

Most people in the US are at about 20-30 ng/mL, and 30 ng/mL is considered deficient. Given the sun angles available in the US and our clothed and busy lifestyle, almost nobody in the US can reach the level the body wants to have without substantial supplementation. I take 5,000 IU of vitamin D a day and maintain about 70 ng/mL

Also, obesity tends to diminish the ability of the body to make use of vitamin D because fat cells "hoard" what's available to the body.

 

[JohnEmmett]

Vitamin D has not been shown to be an effective remedy to covid.

However, there is evidence that people who had sufficiently high levels of vitamin D prior to contracting covid enjoy better survival results.

I know

I take 5,000 IU of vitamin D a day and maintain about 70 ng/mL

Thanks…

 

[mama2one]

Vitamin D helps

(prior to becoming sick)

hasn't been proven:

Long-haul COVID-19 can last months. But here’s why experts are optimistic about recovery.


Researchers are also studying whether vitamin D taken before infection or right after can help prevent long-term symptoms.

“It desperately needs study,” said Dr. David Meltzer, who leads a trial at the University of Chicago that is looking for volunteers. It’s “a very plausible story" that getting sufficient or even extra vitamin D could help reduce long-haul symptoms, he said, but it hasn’t been proved"

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

... 427,831 AEs reported as of August 6th, 2021.

To date, there are 6639 (1.6% of all AEs) deaths in the VAERS database.

As already mentioned, the VAERS consists of unfiltered individual reports that anyone can submit; it "is not designed to determine if a vaccine caused a health problem" the idea is that statistical analysis can show whether certain kinds of report are particularly common and more prevalent than in the unvaccinated population. See About VAERS.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

How does it show that? Does anyone even know what the death rate was?

The communities in Amish Ohio 'experienced some of the state's highest rates of infection and deaths' (post #2), which suggests that attaining natural herd immunity from Covid is not a good strategy.

 

[JohnEmmett]

herd immunity from Covid is not a good strategy.

I don't see a solution yet…

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

...In tropical locations where people easily and reliably get enough sunlight to depend on sunlight alone for as much vitamin D as the body is able to produce, it's been noted that vitamin D levels top out naturally at about 80 ng/mL IOW, give the body enough sunlight to produce as much vitamin D as it needs, and it will produce about 80 ng/mL and stop there.

That's true, but ironically, it's not uncommon to have low vitamin D levels in tropical climes too because those that can afford to stay out of the hot sun.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I don't see a solution yet…

Herd immunity from vaccination.

 

[RDKirk]

hasn't been proven:

Long-haul COVID-19 can last months. But here’s why experts are optimistic about recovery.


Researchers are also studying whether vitamin D taken before infection or right after can help prevent long-term symptoms.

“It desperately needs study,” said Dr. David Meltzer, who leads a trial at the University of Chicago that is looking for volunteers. It’s “a very plausible story" that getting sufficient or even extra vitamin D could help reduce long-haul symptoms, he said, but it hasn’t been proved"

I suspect those studies won't show positive results in most cases because of the way a body that is already deficient in vitamin D reacts to sudden supplementation.

Virtually every cell of the body uses vitamin D. When the body has been deficient, every cell is deficient. When "the cavalry arrives" with sudden high doses, fat cells suck it up first until their are surfeit, then it gets doled out to all the other cells. Blood serum levels of vitamin D (what can be measured in a blood test) are essentially the body's "bench stock" of vitamin D. It takes months of supplementation to show a rise in blood serum levels because every cell of the body had been depleted and is still in active use of the vitamin.

It's like waiting until a normally leaky boat is nearly full of water, then suffers a canon ball hole, then beginning to bail it out.

 

[JohnEmmett]

Herd immunity from vaccination.

this vaccine… is unsatisfactory

 

[RDKirk]

That's true, but ironically, it's not uncommon to have low vitamin D levels in tropical climes too because those that can afford to stay out of the hot sun.

Especially with the fairly recent understanding of skin cancer causes. There is only now medical research to figure out an optimum balance of sun exposure for vitamin D to the risk of skin cancer.

 

[renniks]

The communities in Amish Ohio 'experienced some of the state's highest rates of infection and deaths' (post #2), which suggests that attaining natural herd immunity from Covid is not a good strategy.

Um, ok so where's the stats?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Um, ok so where's the stats?

Ask Bradskii, it's his post.

According to this paper, their excess deaths were generally typical of the national trends and spiked to 125% in November 2020.

 

[renniks]

Ask Bradskii, it's his post.

According to this paper, their excess deaths were generally typical of the national trends and spiked to 125% in November 2020.

Seems rather arbitrary. They really don't know which deaths are from covid.