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However, I do want to point out something else. :) I do partly agree with the mormon about the christening not saving you. Although this act alone 'cannot' save anyone, I'd still recommend getting baptised as an adult also. I was christened as a baby, but because of my age it was more a wonderful display of faith on my 'parents' part, not my own. Bapstism in the Bible has to do with a person making a concious, knowing, outward commitment to God in their decision to be baptised. Christening cannot provide this because we are too young to understand what we're doing.

Make sense? :)
What would make sense more is making sure you believe before you're baptized. It's not a ritual that needs to be done. It's symbolic for the spiritual death of our fleshy nature and the birth/entering of the Spirit in us. Baby baptism isn't baptism at all. I'll grant that it dedicates the child, but you cannot in any way call it baptism from a biblical standpoint, especially if you're not dunking the baby. Baptism is by immersion, not a sprinkle on the head. Look at a lexicon of baptize in the Great Commission, Matthew 28 if you doubt that. The Greek is clear.
 
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God died on the cross for our sins, and all of our sins were and will be forgiven!...we need to live like we are Christians and act like it!...we need to carry out the great commision and praise god.

Baptism isnt wat will insure if you go to heaven or not, it is the faith that you have in the Lord.
Kindly remember that it says to 'go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.' It's a command. Why would one ignore a command if they have faith, unless it were physically impossible to be baptized? They wouldn't ignore it if they really believe and aren't lying.
 
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Kindly remember that it says to 'go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.' It's a command. Why would one ignore a command if they have faith, unless it were physically impossible to be baptized? They wouldn't ignore it if they really believe and aren't lying.
Kindly remember that infants are part of "all nations." :)

In Scripture, the jailor, and his entire house were baptised...not just the ones old enough to understand.
 
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I do feel forgiven and saved, I confess that Jesus Christ is my Lord and Saviour and I want to live for him. Am I saved?

Peace be with you
God gave you your faith. He died and rose again for you. Live in that comfort.
Yes...you are saved, and peace be with you, also. :)
 
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However, I do want to point out something else. :) I do partly agree with the mormon about the christening not saving you. Although this act alone 'cannot' save anyone, I'd still recommend getting baptised as an adult also. I was christened as a baby, but because of my age it was more a wonderful display of faith on my 'parents' part, not my own. Bapstism in the Bible has to do with a person making a concious, knowing, outward commitment to God in their decision to be baptised. Christening cannot provide this because we are too young to understand what we're doing.

Make sense? :)

Blessings and Love,
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No sense at all AND in direct contradiction with the Christian confessions.

Christians who confess the Nicene Creed know better and the OP's faith icon shows him to be Anglican. What you suggest here goes against our basic beliefs as confessional Christians and should NEVER be taken into consideration as valid.

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I believe in one God,

the Father Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth
and of all things visible and invisible.​

And in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the only-begotten Son of God,
begotten of His Father before all worlds,
God of God, Light of Light,
very God of very God,
begotten, not made,
being of one substance with the Father;
by whom all things were made;
who for us men and for our salvation
came down from heaven,
and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary
and was made man;
and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate.
He suffered and was buried.
And the third day He rose again
according to the Scriptures
and ascended into heaven
and sits at the right hand of the Father.
And He will come again with glory to judge
both the living and the dead,
whose kingdom will have no end.​

And I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the Lord and giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son together
is worshiped and glorified,
who spoke by the prophets.​

And I believe in one holy Christian and apostolic Church.
I acknowledge one Baptism for the remission of sins,
and I look for the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come. Amen.​


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I was told by a Mormon on the street yesterday that i'm not saved because the vicar who christened me didn't have the authority? and also because they don't believe in christenings? Can someone explain to me their reasonings behind this because to be honest I do feel forgiven and saved, I confess that Jesus Christ is my Lord and Saviour and I want to live for him. Am I saved?

Peace be with you
adey1986,
Sometimes others do rattle out beliefs. I find that when someone causes me doubt, I go to back to my church's statements and beliefs. For me, that is to go back and review the catechism of the Lutheran church. I also read my Bible also as it is the best place to go for what we believe.

I see you are Anglican. I am sure you have something similar you can refer to and read. There are also denomination forums here at Christian Forums. If you have not found yours, you may want to check it out.
 
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I was baptized by full immersion as an adult, my husband by pouring as an adult, and my children by sprinkling as infants. Am I any more saved? No....just a little wetter ;)

I LOVE this statement! I was baptized as an infant, and my husband when he was old enough to make a statement of his faith. When we had our daughter we had a number of discussions back and forth on the subject. In submission to his beliefs, we waited until she was at least able to express her love of God (she was four), and we had her baptized in a paedo-baptizing denomination.

So I understand the confusion.

What I think it comes down to is this: God's grace and mercy are beyond anything we can understand or measure. Christ's death on the cross washes us of our sins, and we are saved. The Holy Spirit convicts us and gives us faith to follow God's will in our lives. Almost all Christians can agree with these statements.

It's the timing and the method that Christians disagree on. I firmly believe that the Spirit worked in me all my life, "making good" on the promise and grace bestowed upon me by God in my baptism as an infant. Sure, I could not turn from Him until I was old enough to make a choice (or as Calvinists would say, I couldn't turn from him at all.. but that's another discussion). But the work actually began in me as an infant, as a gift of God, given out of His boundless love and mercy for me, and as a blessing of the obedience that my parents showed in baptizing me.

This discussion always reminds me of a historical note. There was a heresy in the early Church, Donatism, in which Christians were persecuted and some recanted of their faith, including some priests. After the persecutions, they rejoined the faithful. Donatists believed that baptisms (or marriages, etc) were invalid if they were done by those priests who had once been apostate. The Church disagreed, saying that the work, the grace, of the sacraments in question had to do with God's work, not the holiness (or not) of the priest who officiated at the sacrament.

=wikipedia article on Donatism]...the validity of the sacrament depends upon the holiness of God, the minister being a mere instrument of God's work, so that any priest or bishop, even one in a state of mortal sin, who speaks the formula of the sacrament with valid matter and the intent of causing the sacrament to occur acts validly

Therefore, for those of us who believe that the sacraments are means of God's grace, which God uses to work in the lives of His followers, it doesn't matter the age of the person baptized, or the state of the soul of the person doing the baptizing (or whether the baptizee is sprinkled, anointed, immersed, or poured-over). God's work is done through His grace, and He'll do it however He pleases.

So be at peace! Your baptism is completely valid in the eyes of the vast majority of Christians (especially if you count the whole communion of saints, living and dead).
 
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No sense at all AND in direct contradiction with the Christian confessions.

Christians who confess the Nicene Creed know better and the OP's faith icon shows him to be Anglican. What you suggest here goes against our basic beliefs as confessional Christians and should NEVER be taken into consideration as valid.

Woah. Sorry. I didn't mean any offence by it. o_O I meant more to point out why the guy said the christening wasn't valid from my standpoint..? I also didn't say it was bad. It was just a point of view/suggestion from what I'm studying in the Bible about my own baptism? Wasn't trying to put down anglican beliefs or anything, if that's what you're saying there.

Although..did you 'need' to say that an adult baptism should 'never' be considered? o_O I don't see what's wrong with being re-baptised as an adult to express your faith when you're old enough to understand it.

Just curious, though...What did I say wrong/differently than the person below me who pretty much makes the same point..?

What would make sense more is making sure you believe before you're baptized. It's not a ritual that needs to be done. It's symbolic for the spiritual death of our fleshy nature and the birth/entering of the Spirit in us. Baby baptism isn't baptism at all. I'll grant that it dedicates the child, but you cannot in any way call it baptism from a biblical standpoint, especially if you're not dunking the baby. Baptism is by immersion, not a sprinkle on the head. Look at a lexicon of baptize in the Great Commission, Matthew 28 if you doubt that. The Greek is clear.

^ That's kinda what I was saying, that you should believe before being baptised. I was just pointing out a baby can't comprehend/believe at that age. I agree completely with what you said. It doesn't 'need' to be done, but I still think it's a wonderful expression. One even Jesus did.

Blessings and Love,
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...I don't see what's wrong with being re-baptised as an adult to express your faith when you're old enough to understand it.

...That's kinda what I was saying, that you should believe before being baptised. I was just pointing out a baby can't comprehend/believe at that age. I agree completely with what you said. It doesn't 'need' to be done, but I still think it's a wonderful expression. One even Jesus did.

There are basically two views on baptism (with lots of different permutations). One is that it is a symbol, something we do in obedience, to show that we receive Christ's grace and mercy. For people who believe that, it is indeed "a wonderful expression" and that "you should believe before being baptized." Thus, they tend to baptize adults, or children who are old enough to understand the Spirit's work in them to draw them into faith. To them, re-baptism isn't anything strange, because they see it as an act of obedience. Some of the members of the Radical Reformation even ended up with the name "anabaptist" (re-baptizer) because they insisted that those who had been baptized as infants needed to be baptized again once they were of an age to "choose."

The other view is that baptism is, itself, one of the ways that God uses to work in His people, rather than a symbol that WE do. It is a means of grace, and through it we are adopted into the family of God. Through it the Holy Spirit begins His work in our lives. People who hold this view (by far the oldest view of baptism, and the most widely held) usually baptize their children in obedience to Christ's command. The idea of re-baptizing is not only strange, and seen as redundant, it can also be considered blasphemy, because it may seem like it's saying that God's work was incomplete without some action on the believer's part. Especially for those whose creed includes "Faith Alone", that makes little sense.

In our services, for instance, we pray ".. that You would behold [name] according to your boundless mercy and bless [name] with true faith by the Holy Spirit, and that through this saving flood all sin in him which has been inherited from Adam and which he has committed since, would be drowned and die. Grant that he be kept safe and secure in the holy ark of the Christian Church, being separated from the multitude of unbelievers, and serving Your name at all times with a fervent spirit and a joyful hope, so that, with all believers in Your promise, he would be declared worthy of eternal life; through Jesus Christ our Lord"

I hope that helps clarify why some of us believe infant baptism is just as "valid" as adult baptism, even if the child doesn't know or can't profess her faith.

This really isn't the place for debate, however. If you want to discuss this specific doctrine, rather than the OP's request for advice, I'd suggest visiting the Sacramental/Ordinance Theology forum. There's always a thread or five on various permutations of adult baptism and infant baptism with lots of Scriptural and historical evidence for both.
 
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Baptizim is one of the means of grace that The Lord uses to call us into faith. Jesus gave us this command, not as law, for the law connot save. We are saved by grace through faith,

Eph 2: 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.


Baptizim is The Lords work, not mans. For man is bron sinful and his every inclination is to sin.

Ge 6:5 The LORD saw how great man’s wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time. 6 The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain. 7 So the LORD said, "I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth—men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air—for I am grieved that I have made them." 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD.

We are not to live as sinners, but as though we died with Christ and live now to serve Him.

Ro 6:1 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
 
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That's kinda what I was saying, that you should believe before being baptised. I was just pointing out a baby can't comprehend/believe at that age. I agree completely with what you said. It doesn't 'need' to be done, but I still think it's a wonderful expression. One even Jesus did.
Just clarifying... some tend to think baptism is optional, and some also tend to think sprinkling a baby is baptism and saves them. Not saying you do. I try to give arguments before someone comes along and questions the Bible. :D It's a personal thing. :D
 
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There are basically two views on baptism (with lots of different permutations). One is that it is a symbol, something we do in obedience, to show that we receive Christ's grace and mercy. For people who believe that, it is indeed "a wonderful expression" and that "you should believe before being baptized." Thus, they tend to baptize adults, or children who are old enough to understand the Spirit's work in them to draw them into faith. To them, re-baptism isn't anything strange, because they see it as an act of obedience. Some of the members of the Radical Reformation even ended up with the name "anabaptist" (re-baptizer) because they insisted that those who had been baptized as infants needed to be baptized again once they were of an age to "choose."

The other view is that baptism is, itself, one of the ways that God uses to work in His people, rather than a symbol that WE do. It is a means of grace, and through it we are adopted into the family of God. Through it the Holy Spirit begins His work in our lives. People who hold this view (by far the oldest view of baptism, and the most widely held) usually baptize their children in obedience to Christ's command. The idea of re-baptizing is not only strange, and seen as redundant, it can also be considered blasphemy, because it may seem like it's saying that God's work was incomplete without some action on the believer's part. Especially for those whose creed includes "Faith Alone", that makes little sense.

In our services, for instance, we pray ".. that You would behold [name] according to your boundless mercy and bless [name] with true faith by the Holy Spirit, and that through this saving flood all sin in him which has been inherited from Adam and which he has committed since, would be drowned and die. Grant that he be kept safe and secure in the holy ark of the Christian Church, being separated from the multitude of unbelievers, and serving Your name at all times with a fervent spirit and a joyful hope, so that, with all believers in Your promise, he would be declared worthy of eternal life; through Jesus Christ our Lord"

I hope that helps clarify why some of us believe infant baptism is just as "valid" as adult baptism, even if the child doesn't know or can't profess her faith.

This really isn't the place for debate, however. If you want to discuss this specific doctrine, rather than the OP's request for advice, I'd suggest visiting the Sacramental/Ordinance Theology forum. There's always a thread or five on various permutations of adult baptism and infant baptism with lots of Scriptural and historical evidence for both.

Thanks for the clarification. :) I was actually baptised as a baby and come from that kind of background, just sorta decided that I'd like to make the commitment on my own too. (To explain a bit where I'm coming from there). Ironically, though..I actually believe it is both of the views you pointed out. An act of faith and obedience on our part, plus a way for the Spirit to start work within us. I guess I'd consider rebaptism neccisary if you've regected the Spirit at some point, too.

Anyway, no..I don't want to turn this into a debate. :) I hadn't meant to make a differing idea in the first place, really. Sorry if I caused a fuss.

Just clarifying... some tend to think baptism is optional, and some also tend to think sprinkling a baby is baptism and saves them. Not saying you do. I try to give arguments before someone comes along and questions the Bible. :D It's a personal thing. :D

No problem. ^_^ That can be a good trait.
 
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Thanks, Synger, for the explanation. I didn't intend to start a debate, but wanted the facts made clear from the OP's denominational perspective as there was much contradictory advice being offered.

Part of what might not be understood with infant baptism is the promise being made by the parents and God parent(s) to bring the child up with the teachings of Jesus Christ. We Lutherans, and Anglicans, then attend Catechism classes, more commonly referred to as confirmation. Confirmation of a persons faith when they are older, usually 12-15, is made public to the congregation and allows them to then receive communion.
The education and effort to make sure our children understand our faith is incredibly important and repeating what was undertaken by parents as a promise to God is simply not necessary. Confirmation is the method by which we do that.
 
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Awesome post, Porter!!

Jesus told how disciples were to be made...baptizing and teaching. Those two things should NOT be separated! As Porter pointed out, in our churches, when babies are baptized, it doesn't mean they are neglected afterward. Their spiritual health is fed by God's Word as the parents teach them the faith.

My church even has a cradle call that sends out a monthly mailing for the baptized babies that contains scripture and teachings so that the children can hear His Word. How wonderful is that??? :clap:


Thanks, Synger, for the explanation. I didn't intend to start a debate, but wanted the facts made clear from the OP's denominational perspective as there was much contradictory advice being offered.

Part of what might not be understood with infant baptism is the promise being made by the parents and God parent(s) to bring the child up with the teachings of Jesus Christ. We Lutherans, and Anglicans, then attend Catechism classes, more commonly referred to as confirmation. Confirmation of a persons faith when they are older, usually 12-15, is made public to the congregation and allows them to then receive communion.
The education and effort to make sure our children understand our faith is incredibly important and repeating what was undertaken by parents as a promise to God is simply not necessary. Confirmation is the method by which we do that.
 
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Although Baptism is done by men, it is from heaven.

MT 21:24 Jesus replied, "I will also ask you one question. If you answer me, I will tell you by what authority I am doing these things. 25 John's baptism--where did it come from? Was it from heaven, or from men?"
They discussed it among themselves and said, "If we say, `From heaven,' he will ask, `Then why didn't you believe him?' 26 But if we say, `From men'--we are afraid of the people, for they all hold that John was a prophet."

John's baptism is from heaven.
And if it is from heaven, it is a grace of God.

Grace of God is manifested through many means.

And we know that it is by grace we are saved, through faith, not by works.

If we know that Baptism is from heaven, it is not works.

Yet a part of a question remains, do infants have faith?

Bible is not clear on that, although it presents at least one infant who knew Scriptures, Timothy.

2TI 3:15 and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

...

Lutherans believe that faith is implanted into an infant through Baptism.

Since the Scriptures present that Baptism is from heaven (although done by men), that heavenly application of the grace of God would certainly leave a heavenly "print" in a heart of a child.

Thanks,
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my advice is that you belive only the facts stated in the word of god being saved is nothing to do with being christening as you said you confess that jesus christ is your lord and saviour and you want to live for him. John 3:16 is a nice illustration of what it is to be saved. also another thing that might help you

1 corinthians 12:3-

3Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus be cursed," and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.
 
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Mormonism is a cult. One of the things they believe is that only Mormon baptisms are valid, which would explain what he said to you.

Jesus commands us to believe and be baptized. When we've believed and been baptized, He sees that from Heaven, and it counts.
 
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Being baptized... christened... is not what brings you to Christ. I quote a verse from the Bible: "If you confess with your TONGUE". Baptism is only showing others that you love God. To be saved, you must say the following prayer: "Dear God in heaven, I admit my sins to You and ask forgiveness. I admit I am a sinner and I believe that You are the one and only true God. I invite You to please come into my life and renew me. Thank-you and in Jesus' name amen."
And then you shall be saved. If you know your ABCs, you know how to become a Christian.

Admit you have sinned. Everyone has sinned against God and must ask for forgiveness. No sin can enter into heaven.

"All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." - Romans 3:23

"If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves, and the truth is not in us." - 1 John 1:8

Believe Jesus died on the cross for you. Believe that He died for you, was buried, and rose again on the third day.

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but
have eternal life."
- John 3:16 "In whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins." - Colossians 1:14

Confess and forsake your sin. Call upon Jesus to save you.

"If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved."
- Romans 10:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us these sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." - 1 John 1:9
 
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