You make me smile. Yer different Raymond. What a gracious reply, and what a rare kind of one.
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Tl;dr: I learned in a Truth for Life sermon that being a submissive wife as outlined in the Bible is a choice I make rather than a role forced on me. making it easier for me to abide by. However, when I brought that up to my cousin, he told me that this mindset is prideful because I'm putting myself and my wants before God's law, and that "wives submit to your husbands" is a command, not a choice. Is it prideful to think of being a submissive wife as a choice that I will make?
I've always heard that verse taught as women in general being physically weaker and emotionally more sensitive, and therefore needing to be treated gently. Men, generally speaking, can get away with being a bit less gentle to each other when talking with and correcting each other.Additionally, in 1 Peter 3:7, wives are called the "weaker vessel", which I had difficulty not taking offensively. I know part of it has to do with feminist culture and empowered women of today, but that's not my focus at the moment.
Wrong!
Depending. If the husband has encouraged the wife to do immoral things or treats her in an extremely abusive fashion he doesn't have say of anything regardless of his claims to the contrary.
I don't see any real prideful things here. You do know though, that the bible does not say that the woman is the weaker vessel? Its telling husbands to treat his lady a hugsband...While he was scripturally submitted to her too.Hello everyone! This will be a bit of a lengthy thread, so I'll add a tl;dr at the end.
I'm sorry if this is the wrong thread section, I wasn't sure which section to post in, since they all seem fairly specific. Christian advice seemed appropriate, but I can repost elsewhere if necessary.
Anyways, I'm a 24 year old woman, and my boyfriend and I have been together for almost 3 years. As we are planning to get engaged within the next year or so, we have been doing a weekly study of scripture for the past couple of months using Truth for Life's "We Two Are One" series, which is a series of sermons on marriage based on scripture. We want to learn about how to be a husband/wife God's way. The part of scripture I've always struggled with is 1 Peter 3:1-6
I have a hard time, as a woman, accepting that I am to be submissive to my husband, because it always brought to mind the idea of a man having complete control of me. Additionally, in 1 Peter 3:7, wives are called the "weaker vessel", which I had difficulty not taking offensively. I know part of it has to do with feminist culture and empowered women of today, but that's not my focus at the moment.
Anyways, the Truth for Life sermons really helped me with this, because it explained that a woman's place of submission to her husband, and her role as the weaker partner in a relationship are God-determined roles that she chooses to take. She chooses to obey her husband and allow him to be the head of the household as God has intended. She chooses to become a submissive and somewhat weaker partner, without any loss of dignity and she trusts that God will bring good works out of her submission.
I was talking to my cousin about this, and how I found it a lot easier to understand and abide by in this context, and after explaining, he told me that my problem is that I'm too prideful. According to him, the fact that I'm emphasizing God's rules as a choice is very self-centered, because it is not a choice, it is a command. "Wives submit to your husbands" is used in Ephesians and 1 Peter, and it is not a request. I can make a choice to obey or disobey, but disobedience results in consequences.
He did go on to say that a husband has no right to be tyrannous, abusive or corrupt in his power over the household, but I need to respect his place as head of the household, and accept my place as a submissive wife and a weaker vessel as God has intended, rather than seeing it as a choice to make.
I talked to my boyfriend about this after the fact, and he vehemently disagrees with my cousin's opinion on the matter, and doesn't think that it is prideful to make a choice that is according to God's will. I kind of understand both of their viewpoints, but I really want to make sure that I'm not being prideful. I do want to be a wife as outlined in scripture. I want to be a wife deserving of my husband, who is willingly submissive rather than feeling forced into the role, but is that selfish of me to want that? Or am I looking at this the wrong way? Would love some opinions.
Tl;dr: I learned in a Truth for Life sermon that being a submissive wife as outlined in the Bible is a choice I make rather than a role forced on me. making it easier for me to abide by. However, when I brought that up to my cousin, he told me that this mindset is prideful because I'm putting myself and my wants before God's law, and that "wives submit to your husbands" is a command, not a choice. Is it prideful to think of being a submissive wife as a choice that I will make?
Every decision one makes to obey God is a choice. Christians can choose to obey or disobey, and there are consequences attached to both decisions....being a submissive wife as outlined in the Bible is a choice I make rather than a role forced on me...
Every decision one makes to obey God is a choice. Christians can choose to obey or disobey, and there are consequences attached to both decisions.
God does not COMPEL human beings but He does COMMAND them. So it is not a role which can be forced upon you.
Indeed, once you give serious thought to the whole matter, you will discover that God has given these commands to LIBERATE you, not to enslave you. You need not assume the responsibilities of your husband, and you will be more than happy fulfilling your own responsiblities.
EPHESIANS.5: = 22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. ....According to him, the fact that I'm emphasizing God's rules as a choice is very self-centered, because it is not a choice, it is a command. "Wives submit to your husbands" is used in Ephesians and 1 Peter, and it is not a request. I can make a choice to obey or disobey, but disobedience results in consequences.
You have butchered Matthew 5:43. The Bible warns us sternly not to add to, or subtract from, it.EPHESIANS.5: = 22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. ....
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, ...
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In a Christian marriage, "two becomes one". The wife only has to submit to her husband if he loves her. If the husband does not love his wife, she does not have to submit to him.
....... Eg if the husband abuses the wife, she should stop submitting to him; ... or if the wife does not submit to her husband, he should stop loving her. Hopefully, such a thing won't happen.
MATTHEW.7: = 12 Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.
MATTHEW.22: = 37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”
MATTHEW.5:43 = ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’
MATTHEW.5:43‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’
Isn't a Christian marriage a covenant or contract between two parties who became one, ie the husband and wife, similar to the New Covenant of salvation between God and believers in Christ.?Also, please quote a Scripture where it says a wife should only submit if her husband loves her.
Isn't a Christian marriage a covenant or contract between two parties who became one, ie the husband and wife, similar to the New Covenant of salvation between God and believers in Christ.?
HEBREWS.8: = 8 ... He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— ....
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.” ...
9:27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, 28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.
True...But the question was..."Am I being pridful?" The answer is no. Why? To state a decision is not pride. You could take it as a decree if you wish.[for me anyway] if it be so that we are actually following the Lord Jesus Christ then we will know that pride is sin, and that God hates pride, and resists the proud: rather we are supposed to put on the high virtue of voluntary humility which is the grace of Christ upon us; knowing that it is only to the humble that God gives His grace to.
(2 Corinthians 8:9 & 12:9)
REVELATION.22: = A WarningThe Bible warns us sternly not to add to, or subtract from, it.
REVELATION.22: = A Warning
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
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Seems, you are misinterpreting the Scriptures/Bible. People were warned by the apostle John from adding to or subtracting from the book of REVELATION. ... If so, why.?
Who added to or subtracted from what God has commanded.? Did I add to or subtract from the commandment of God at MATTHEW.5:43 = ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’.?Do you think it is okay to add to, or subtract from Scriptures, as long as it is outside of the Book of Revelation?? I surely hope not!
Actually, the command to not add to, or subtract from, Scriptures, began in the "Old" Testament.
For example: Deut. 4: 2 Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the LORD your God that I give you.
MATTHEW.5:43
ROMANS.12: = 14 Bless those who persecute you; ...
19 Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. 20 Therefore
“If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
If he is thirsty, give him a drink;
For in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head.”
21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
ROMANS.9: = 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”
HOSEA.9: = 15 “All their wickedness is in Gilgal,
For there I hated them.
Because of the evil of their deeds
I will drive them from My house;
I will love them no more.
All their princes are rebellious.
DEUTERONOMY.23: =
3 “An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter the assembly of the Lord; even to the tenth generation none of his descendants shall enter the assembly of the Lord forever, 4 because they did not meet you with bread and water on the road when you came out of Egypt, and because they hired against you Balaam the son of Beor from Pethor of Mesopotamia, to curse you. 5 Nevertheless the Lord your God would not listen to Balaam, but the Lord your God turned the curse into a blessing for you, because the Lord your God loves you. 6 You shall not seek their peace nor their prosperity all your days forever.
PSALMS.41: = 10 But You, O Lord, be merciful to me, and raise me up,
That I may repay them.
11 By this I know that You are well pleased with me,
Because my enemy does not triumph over me.
EXODUS.23: = 22 But if you indeed obey His voice and do all that I speak, then I will be an enemy to your enemies and an adversary to your adversaries.
LEVITICUS.26: = 7 You will chase your enemies, and they shall fall by the sword before you.
Hello everyone! This will be a bit of a lengthy thread, so I'll add a tl;dr at the end.
I'm sorry if this is the wrong thread section, I wasn't sure which section to post in, since they all seem fairly specific. Christian advice seemed appropriate, but I can repost elsewhere if necessary.
Anyways, I'm a 24 year old woman, and my boyfriend and I have been together for almost 3 years. As we are planning to get engaged within the next year or so, we have been doing a weekly study of scripture for the past couple of months using Truth for Life's "We Two Are One" series, which is a series of sermons on marriage based on scripture. We want to learn about how to be a husband/wife God's way. The part of scripture I've always struggled with is 1 Peter 3:1-6
I have a hard time, as a woman, accepting that I am to be submissive to my husband, because it always brought to mind the idea of a man having complete control of me. Additionally, in 1 Peter 3:7, wives are called the "weaker vessel", which I had difficulty not taking offensively. I know part of it has to do with feminist culture and empowered women of today, but that's not my focus at the moment.
Anyways, the Truth for Life sermons really helped me with this, because it explained that a woman's place of submission to her husband, and her role as the weaker partner in a relationship are God-determined roles that she chooses to take. She chooses to obey her husband and allow him to be the head of the household as God has intended. She chooses to become a submissive and somewhat weaker partner, without any loss of dignity and she trusts that God will bring good works out of her submission.
I was talking to my cousin about this, and how I found it a lot easier to understand and abide by in this context, and after explaining, he told me that my problem is that I'm too prideful. According to him, the fact that I'm emphasizing God's rules as a choice is very self-centered, because it is not a choice, it is a command. "Wives submit to your husbands" is used in Ephesians and 1 Peter, and it is not a request. I can make a choice to obey or disobey, but disobedience results in consequences.
He did go on to say that a husband has no right to be tyrannous, abusive or corrupt in his power over the household, but I need to respect his place as head of the household, and accept my place as a submissive wife and a weaker vessel as God has intended, rather than seeing it as a choice to make.
I talked to my boyfriend about this after the fact, and he vehemently disagrees with my cousin's opinion on the matter, and doesn't think that it is prideful to make a choice that is according to God's will. I kind of understand both of their viewpoints, but I really want to make sure that I'm not being prideful. I do want to be a wife as outlined in scripture. I want to be a wife deserving of my husband, who is willingly submissive rather than feeling forced into the role, but is that selfish of me to want that? Or am I looking at this the wrong way? Would love some opinions.
Tl;dr: I learned in a Truth for Life sermon that being a submissive wife as outlined in the Bible is a choice I make rather than a role forced on me. making it easier for me to abide by. However, when I brought that up to my cousin, he told me that this mindset is prideful because I'm putting myself and my wants before God's law, and that "wives submit to your husbands" is a command, not a choice. Is it prideful to think of being a submissive wife as a choice that I will make?