Alternative Explanations for 'The Mandela Effect'

[JohnEmmett]

Am I?

Matthew 13:13

 

[Freodin]

Matthew 13:13

So, when will you start listening? Or reading?
You have never ever even marginally attempted to address any point that other people have been making. You only listen when some of your buddies comes up with something new "mysterious". Everything else is "mundane" and beyond your interest.

You don't understand, you don't want to understand. And you keep demonstrating that, over and over again.

Show me! Just for once show me that whatever I said doesn't just go through your brain without leaving any trace!

 

[JohnEmmett]

Show me! Just for once show me that whatever I said doesn't just go through your brain without leaving any trace!

Most of what you say is unnecessary


You take issue with everything


The truth is simple

 

[Freodin]

Most of what you say is unnecessary


You take issue with everything


The truth is simple

Simple. Let's try simple.

You claim: "The moon is different than it used to be (in my different reality)!"
I try to give you an explanation of how this works, why this works, and what would be massively impacted if it didn't work that way.

"That's unnecessary!", you claim now.

Yes, I take issue... with your willful ignorance. You constantly claim that you "care for the truth"... and when you are faced with it, you ignore it. Because it is "unneccessary". Of which you are the sole arbiter.

Well... reality dares to be of a different opinion.

 

[JohnEmmett]

I try to give you an explanation of how this works, why this works, and what would be massively impacted if it didn't work that way.

this timeline was always this way


hence nothing is affected

 

[Freodin]

this timeline was always this way


hence nothing is affected

Yes, that's your claim. But the other timeline was different. But nothing was affected there either.

Explain that.

 

[JohnEmmett]

But the other timeline was different. But nothing was affected there either.

Explain that.

Each timeline is nearby

So it creates a paradox of being the same and different

 

[JohnEmmett]

 

[JohnEmmett]

Shikoku is new to me, recently


The water separating Shikoku was land

 

[Freodin]

Each timeline is nearby

So it creates a paradox of being the same and different

People do not even know the map

They would not know where Japan is supposed to be

Much less how it is shaped

Trivia. That's all you care about, because you simply do not understand reality. Consequences.

You "see" or "remember" a country in a different place, a different shape. On a map.

Well... maps are not the reality. Maps can be different. Maps can even be faulty. And for the most part, it only affects the map.

But in reality, these differences have consequences. Different lunar orbit? Different position of continents? Landmasses existing where there "should" only be ocean?

That would affect ocean currents, weather patterns, trade routes, geographical connections, world history. "For the want of a nail, the kingdom was lost."

You still don't understand, you still don't want to understand.

 

[JohnEmmett]

You still don't understand, you still don't want to understand.

I don’t understand humans are evolved, hence inherently fallible, prone to err?


Fine whatever

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Shikoku is new to me, recently


The water separating Shikoku was land

Let's ignore the obvious climatic impacts. Tell us how history is different. How did World War 2 play out in your alternate reality? How was Japanese history different? Tell us about the Ezo Republic. Tell us about the Blakiston Line.

All of those things would have massive consequences if they were different. But all you have is a supposed change on a map.

 

[JohnEmmett]

Tell us how history is different.

There are those who say history is different

There are those who say anatomy is different

I would not know…

 

[Bungle_Bear]

There are those who say history is different

There are those who say anatomy is different

I would not know…

Of course you would. You claim to have been in a different reality. Tell us how it was different. There are certain things which MUST have been different if your claim is true. Give us an example.

 

[JohnEmmett]

You claim to have been in a different reality. Tell us how it was different.

There was no Faiyum Oasis

 

[pgp_protector]

There was no Faiyum Oasis

There's been a Faiyum Oasis my whole life.

 

[JohnEmmett]

There's been a Faiyum Oasis my whole life.

For thousands of years, in this timeline

 

[Bungle_Bear]

There was no Faiyum Oasis

I don't care about changes to maps. Tell us how history was different. If Hokkaido was joined to Honshu tell us how that affected the Tokugawa conquest of Japan. Tell us how the Blakiston line didn't exist and what difference that made to Japanese flora and fauna. If Faiyum Oasis didn't exist, tell us how ancient trading routes were different and how that has affected modern day Egypt.

These aren't inconsequential claims you're making, they represent major differences with consequences.

 

[JohnEmmett]

I don't care about changes to maps. Tell us how history was different.

Like I said… the timelines are nearby and almost the same

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Like I said… the timelines are nearby and almost the same

No, they're not. An inaccurate map is inconsequential. An entire different geography has consequences. Faiyum was the bread basket of the Roman empire. If it didn't exist, Roman history would be different. If Roman history is different then so is the history of pretty much every country.

Changes have consequences. You don’t get to handwave them away.