Alternative Explanations for 'The Mandela Effect'

[Freodin]

I already replied

You can address what I said

There were TWO questions at the end of that post:
"True or false? What "evidence" is there to make you think one or the other?"

If you give away a book … then you can’t find it was always there

But, ok. Just because I am not as evasive as you are, I "address" what you said.

"If I give away a book, then I can't find it."

Read again from the story:
"I hadn't been giving it away or lent it to anyone or even thrown it away."

I hadn't been giving it away, so that "if" is invalid. I should have found the book, because I had not given it away. It "was always there"... I just looked down from where I sitting and there it was, just as I had finished reading it on my monitor.

Is that true or false?

 

[JohnEmmett]

The book that I've given away (and never gotten back) 3 times

TLDR … book keeps reappearing in my house after continually giving it away and never getting it back.

 

[JohnEmmett]

In theory, they give it away once in each new timeline

 

[Freodin]

Is that a reply to my question, or are you just evading again?

 

[JohnEmmett]

Is that a reply to my question, or are you just evading again?

Deal with the story I shared

 

[Freodin]

Deal with the story I shared

I do. That's the reason why I posted my story. To make a point. Which you won't address, or even acknowlegde.

New deal: respond to my question, and when we are done with that line of conversation, I'd deal with your story. Deal?

 

[JohnEmmett]

respond to my question, and when we are done with that line of conversation, I'd deal with your story.

Your book was always there, their book returned from being given away

Despite them never getting it back

 

[Freodin]

Your book was always there, their book returned from being given away

Despite them never getting it back

I haven't been asking if my book was there or not... I've been asking if the story I told was true or false.

 

[JohnEmmett]

I've been asking if the story I told was true or false.

Is it true or false?

 

[Freodin]

Is it true or false?

That is the question. You think there is "evidence" to show either or. So... answer the question. And I am not even insisting on a boolean answer.

 

[JohnEmmett]

That is the question.

I am not lying about the mandela effect


No one is …

 

[Freodin]

I am not lying about the mandela effect


No one is …

Whatever "effect" is there... it seems to render you completely incapable of responding to a rather simple question.

Consider the reason for that, and how that reflects on any point you are trying to make.

 

[pgp_protector]

I’m not sure what you’re saying is true

Irrelevant

 

[JohnEmmett]

…

It’s difficult for very different perspectives to effectively communicate

 

[Freodin]

It’s difficult for very different perspectives to effectively communicate

What "different perspectives" might there be?

I am trying to find out what is behind your claims that you have "evidence" and an ability to determine "truth". For that, you call me "overly confident".

You are faced with a story. Someone posted a story about a book on the internet. You seem "confident" that this has something to do with "different timelines". You seem unwilling or incapable of even considering other alternatives. You seem "confident" that this story is "truth", and not "fiction".

Someone else posts a story about a book on the internet. You don't offer any position, and keep evading an inquiry if you think this story is "truth or fiction", and the way you arive at that conclusion.

You are being inconsistent, and very blatantly so.

Now I would come to the conclusion that you are biased, that you accept everything that seems to agree with your own beliefs and that you put your own spin on. That you willfully ignore anything that might even marginally contradict your claims.

I base this evaluation on the experience of dealing with you, and seeing you act in exactly the described way, over and over again.

But contrary to posting (somewhat irrelevant) one line remarks, I try to communicate. I make proposals, offer explanations, answer questions.

Isn't that a "perspective" that someone who wants others to "investigate" should hold?

 

[JohnEmmett]

What "different perspectives" might there be?

I am trying to find out what is behind your claims …

There are multiple timelines

And some of us are sliding to alternative timelines

That is different than false memory

 

[JohnEmmett]

There are multiple timelines

And some of us are sliding to alternative timelines

At least that is the best explanation

I am not completely sure

 

[Freodin]

There are multiple timelines

And some of us are sliding to alternative timelines

That is different than false memory

There are no multiple timelines. Some of you are mistaken. The whole phenomenon is in all regards undistinguishable from false memories.

 

[JohnEmmett]

There are no multiple timelines. Some of you are mistaken. The whole phenomenon is in all regards undistinguishable from false memories.

Explain how a book reappears 3 times after being given away

Despite not being given back

 

[Freodin]

Explain how a book reappears 3 times after being given away

Despite not being given back

Possible explanations:
- The story is honestly told, but based on false memories. That does happen. If you had sincerely responded to my inquiry, you might have gotten an example.
- The story is a complete fabrication. Independent corrobation would be the least way of investigation.
- The story is heavily embelished. Same as above.
- The book was returned, without harmful intention, perhaps without the knowlegde or recollection of the author. Same as above.
- The book was returned with malevolent intention. There's even a story on the reddit post you linked to, giving such an account: the "Exorcist" prank. And, as above, independent corrobation...
- This isn't a case of "different timelines". The book has a mystical connection with the person and just reforms out of empty air when the poster tries to give it away. Independent corrobation... like, trying to trace the other exemplars that were given away, would be a way of investigation. Also, experimentation of giving away the book could be done.
- Similar, just that the book doesn't "reform", but teleports back. Same as above.

- Surely other rational or irrational options.

A lot of different possibilities... some even on the "mystical" side, so that you cannot accuse anyone of "being to skeptical". And there are ways to collect "evidence".

And I didn't even have to just arbitrarily declare one of them "the best explanation, just because".