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Altar calls

edwina

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WHEN I WASNT SAVED- I WOULDNT HAVE KNOWN HOW TO BE SAVED IF ID NOT GONE TO A ALTER..
pastor at the end of his message goes in to the plan of salvation and invites whoever to be saved to comedown. we have alter wkrs there who helps and shows bible passages, the alter is there for prayer also. and to go and tell pastor about joining church or needing to be baptised.i also believe in any opprtunity to get someone saved.
 
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edwina said:
amen. im fundalmental and we have an alter where people can come if needed. no one pushes them and why not come forward to pray at a alter? they have it in the BIble.
alot of times , its pride that keeps people from coming forward.

Or maybe it is wanting to be seen of men (Matt. 6) that brings the same people up every Sunday.
 
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Wilfred of Ivanhoe said:
Or maybe it is wanting to be seen of men (Matt. 6) that brings the same people up every Sunday.

It's altogether possible, however I don't think I'd want to be the one in the pew nudging my wife and whispering, "Hey look there goes old so and so up to the altar again, bending the knee and publicly abasing themselves. What a joke. Hey if he/she bawls again, you owe me a coke."

Romans 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
 
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What keeps them coming is the thought that they must put forth some kind of effort to be saved. The human mind has trouble accepting the fact that something as vital to our eternal future can be a gift, the work of God. We constantly look for ways to meet Him in the middle, but nowhere in the Bible does it say that we need to do this. There are verses taken out of context that feed this desire to accomplish our salvation, and the natural tendency to provide for our own needs accepts this readily.

Alter calls have been around for what... 100 years? Maybe 150? It makes you wonder how all of the poor souls in the early church ever earned their salvation! For more info about this unbiblical practice, see this link.
 
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Altar Calls are not found in Scripture... Ok, neither are Sunday Schools, Choirs, or even Church Buildings. Does that mean that we should stop doing these things? Of course not. Just because they're not found in Scripture does not mean they are wrong to do.

Brad, awfully bold of you (and I would suggest not very smart as well) to damn a man like Charles Finney. I recommend you to be careful. As for the sinner's prayer: "And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other..." (Luke 18:13-14). That is a sinner's prayer. And after this prayer, he was justified. Of course I am not saying that the prayer is what justified him, but Jesus thought it was worth mentioning that he did say a prayer.

It's called an altar because an altar was a place to make a sacrifice. And in the churches today, it is a good place to "make a sacrifice" or to make a committment of some sort to God - Romans 12:1.

Those of you that think that it is wrong to have an altar call, I agree with your ultimate reasoning in that if a person goes to the altar for the wrong reason, whether it be just to be seen, or because it's what everyone else is doing, then it is worthless for someone to go to the altar. However, to say that it is wrong to have an altar call, I think is just bringing in a little bit of your background experiences to the table. That is, because you don't have an altar call in your church you think that nobody should have it.
 
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BT said:
It's altogether possible, however I don't think I'd want to be the one in the pew nudging my wife and whispering, "Hey look there goes old so and so up to the altar again, bending the knee and publicly abasing themselves. What a joke. Hey if he/she bawls again, you owe me a coke."

Romans 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

You have a very good point. It seems that whenever I think of the alter call, my mind immediately goes back to those days in October - November of 2000. Those were my earliest days of being a Calvinist and I was quite bitter at much of my church practices. Incidentally, I remained a Calvinist in my mind only for about 2 1/2 years before it actually entered my heart. I guess I'd better pray to God that he would remove those bitter, judgemental feelings that rise up in me when I am reminded of that time.
 
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speaking of alter calls and raising your hand to get saved, I did that the first time I ever went to church. I was 7 years old and on July 31, 1988, I raised hand to get saved because I didn't want to go to Hell.

Was there any work of grace in my heart? Did I fully understand the odiousness of my sin? Was my conscience torn with my own wickedness? Did I really understand why I needed to repent? The answer is no. All I was told is that if I pray these words, I won't go to Hell. I did that more than once. Why? I was never satisfied that I had enough faith. I went like Martin Luther for years doubting that I had believed enough on Jesus. Just as Satan tormented Luther for years, so he Satan always put doubt in my heart. For all I know, I may have been fully justified all those years. However, I had zero assurance. Every fault I found in myself made me fear judgement. All that anyone in church could do was encourage me to "try harder" and "fight the good fight." They never told me that it was God working in me both to will and to do (Phillipians 2:13b).

During my life, I have been the steady attendee of two Baptist churches. Neither one delt with scripture as a whole. If your sermons and doctrines are loosely based upon scraps of scripture without context, no wonder the church as a whole is so weak. We have not had spiritual meat, rather we have been satisfied with milk. I remember the time in the summer 2000 that my little First Baptist had its 50 year anniversity. I remember that the mission statement was printed upon the mug I bought. One of the statements was to "equip the saints." As I look back, I must wonder if the pastor ever really considered that part of the statement. Every sermon was the same. It was basically a very emphatic plea for the congregation to walk the isle and get saved. I used to be sad because I saw this man plead with his congregation and no one ever walked the isle. It was as if his sermons were fruitless. For those of us who did trust in the Lord, we got nothing. There was no equipping the saints. Is the goal of church to get more people to sign the card, or to truly edify the believer and bring the believer closer to God through knowledge and truth?

So much of Christianity is based upon feeling and not knowledge and truth. For verily, the more I understand the Bible, the more I understand God. The more I understand God, the closer my walk is with him. I am not suggesting that we fill our heads with Biblical knowledge for the sake of knowledge alone. Rather I say that we learn the full counsil of God that we may truly put on the spiritual armor and weapons of God.

As stated in my last post, I never felt "saved" for 2 1.5 years after I had the knowledge of how salvation occurred. During those two years, I was as backslidden as can be. All the time however, I knew I was doing wrong. My conscience would get whipped up from time to time, but carnal repentance is so easy to throw off. I distinctly remember that first spiritual repentance. IT was not perfect even then. I spent a few months having to constantly repent. My heart was filled with fear of God's wrath being upon me. I went a long time in this weakened condition. All that time however, I could feel God spirit at work, even if I could't articulate it then as I can now. Of course, I believe that those whose faith truly rests upon Christ were chosen from the foundation of the earth. It does not matter to me that I know the exact moment that I was truly "Saved." Biblical salvation is such a complex and powerful action that I don't think it is possible to truly know. You may know when justification/sanctification/repentance/faith is truly manifested in your life, but how can you truly know when regeneration has occurred.

edwina, I am not saying that you were not truly justified on the day that you walked the isle and professed faith. I am merely saying that it is very, very possible to walk the isle, say the prayer, leave the house of God with assurance of salvation and still be just as lost and reprobate as before.

This is what my pastor says. Don't look back to a distant time and say, "did I truly believe then?" Rather, he says, ask yourself, "Am I now believing? Do I now rely upon Christ for my salvaiton?" Why does Peter say to make your calling and election sure? I believe that that he says this because the Bible teaches us not to rely upon what our heart tells us. It is easy to be deceived by our wicked and inconstant hearts. That is the beauty of salvation. It is not how faithful we are, it is a question of how faithful is Christ to save His children to the uttermost?
 
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My church does both the "come down to the altar" and the "every head bowed and every eye closed" type of altar call. It just depends on what the Lord calls our pastor to do that particular Sunday. You don't have to answer the call just be be saved, you can ask to be annointed with oil and prayed over/with or you can also rededicate your life to the Lord after backslideing away from him.
 
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BT said:
Yeah I used to attend a Pentecostal church Rowena. I've seen all that... except the asking to be annointed with oil one.
What kind did you attend? I attend an Assembly of God church, and since each church is allowed a certain amount of freedom as to what they do, it may just be our church.
 
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Hmmmm..........I just now realized, as I was posting a question up in the sticky section, that I posted on this thread before concerning alter calls, but it is now absent. As little Opey Taylor from Mayberry would say, "That's a might peculiar."

But then, I am getting old, so "perhaps" I'm mistaken.

brother jim
 
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