Just heard news report on Foxnews that some Iraqi troops in Northern Iraq are already trieng to surrender. what's ya'll thoughts on this.
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Already surrendering??
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Unsurprising. A large part of the Iraqi army is conscripts, and you can bet your bippy that the "honor" of guarding the borders, or any city other than Baghdad, fell to the least reliable and worst armed troops.
The most loyal, best trained, and best equipped soldiers are in Baghdad. The only worry we really have prior to that is the threat of chemical attacks when taking a "friendly" city, like Basra.
If we're going to get the flower-throwing, cheering-in-the-streets stuff, it'll be in heavy Shi'ite cities like Basra.
The most loyal, best trained, and best equipped soldiers are in Baghdad. The only worry we really have prior to that is the threat of chemical attacks when taking a "friendly" city, like Basra.
If we're going to get the flower-throwing, cheering-in-the-streets stuff, it'll be in heavy Shi'ite cities like Basra.
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I hope the US military is prepared and ready to feed and house the thousands of Iraqi soldiers who will surrender. Coz, they weren't prepared when it happened during the Gulf War.
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my husband thinks we have fewer troops by half currently in Iraq then we did in Desert Storm . anyone got any info on this ?
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Currently we have around 280,000 that includes Army, Marine Corps, Navy and Airforce, this is a rough estimate though. Give a few minutes and I can get a count from Desert Storm.
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Iraqi Troops Reported Deserting
As many as 30,000 terrified Iraqi soldiers have already deserted, according to a report in Britain's Sun newspaper. Writing from the U.S. Command Center in Qatar, Sun correspondents George Pascoe-Watson and Simon Hughes reported that intelligence sources estimate that as many as 15 percent of Saddam's army have deserted before a single shot has been fired. A senior British war planner at US Central Command in Qatar told the Sun last night: "Iraqi soldiers are scared out of their wits at what they know is over their borders.They are not stupid. They know if they hang around theres a good chance of things getting very nasty indeed." The mass desertions fueled the Sun reports by leaflet drops warning Saddams men to quit or face death, was uncovered by eavesdropping on military communications. The paper speculated that Saddam may not even be able to rely on his elite Republican Guard. Military planners believe the troops may turn on their generals rather than face the 250,000-strong Allied force.
As for whether the US is prepared for the mass surrenderers... yes, this time we were counting on it.
As many as 30,000 terrified Iraqi soldiers have already deserted, according to a report in Britain's Sun newspaper. Writing from the U.S. Command Center in Qatar, Sun correspondents George Pascoe-Watson and Simon Hughes reported that intelligence sources estimate that as many as 15 percent of Saddam's army have deserted before a single shot has been fired. A senior British war planner at US Central Command in Qatar told the Sun last night: "Iraqi soldiers are scared out of their wits at what they know is over their borders.They are not stupid. They know if they hang around theres a good chance of things getting very nasty indeed." The mass desertions fueled the Sun reports by leaflet drops warning Saddams men to quit or face death, was uncovered by eavesdropping on military communications. The paper speculated that Saddam may not even be able to rely on his elite Republican Guard. Military planners believe the troops may turn on their generals rather than face the 250,000-strong Allied force.
As for whether the US is prepared for the mass surrenderers... yes, this time we were counting on it.
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US Forces exceded 500,000 in 1991 for Desert Storm.
source was http://www.desert-storm.com/War/chronology.html
Don't know how reliable though.
source was http://www.desert-storm.com/War/chronology.html
Don't know how reliable though.
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now can we believe these reports ? also heard that some wall street expert says the war will be over in two to three weeks
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Yes, but prepared for 30,000???
Even before a shot is fired? I can imagine there will be thousands MORE in the next few days. That's a lot of mouths to feed, and a lot of tents to put up!
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Agreed, and these guys know that when Sadam is out of power, they will be repatrioted, so the only worry they have right now is if they'll be able to get newspapers in Arabic while living in Allied force POW camps.
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everyone can think i am cruel but dead bodies don t need guards. Will this weaken our already small forces by using troops to guard prisoners. I am NOT saying kill them. why so few troops anyway ? only half of ds
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Today at 07:49 PM Auntie said this in Post #10
Yes, but prepared for 30,000???
There have been situations where 50 people had to take care of a refugee camp of 3,800 (i.e. the Volcano alley eruptions throughout the 90's in Ecuador). We have 250,000 or so men and women there now.
The war won't last very long, then we will have to take care of an entire country. I'd be more worried about that.
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They most likely are a police force. Their job is to keep the citizens of Iraq in line. They are not equiped to fight a foreign enemy. They know americans will treat them right.
A part of me says to turn them over to the people they have been terrorizing. But I am not sure that would be right, we do believe in law and order and due process of law.
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Y'all have to remember that quite a few Iraqi soldiers are dressed in rags, have little food and are basically treated worse than a stray dog. I certainly wouldn't want to be on their side, lack of food, clothing and soap.
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i did not mean to imply that an American life is more valuable then an Iraqui one. i knew my previous post was ill-worded
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