Almost persuaded....

[Serapha]

Hi there!

Ac 26:28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.




Paul would have been an effective attorney. He placed his argument before Agrippa, and Agrippa was "almost persuaded".

Almost--but lost.


How heart breaking it must have been for Paul to hear those words, "Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian..."


Where would these words fit in today's religious organizations?


"almost--but lost"


Most are "almost persuaded"... but few are persuaded.

For the "unorthodox".... What persuaded you to become a member of your denomination?


~serapha~

 

[twhite982]

I hate to break it to you, but I'm pretty sure king Agrippa was being sarcastic.

But to answer your question, I see the fruits of it in my life as I've tested the doctrine.

Tom

 

[Serapha]

I hate to break it to you, but I'm pretty sure king Agrippa was being sarcastic.

But to answer your question, I see the fruits of it in my life as I've tested the doctrine.

Tom

Hi there!




I don't think Agrippa was being scarcastic. He knew the Jewish history and the Torah well... He studied them...


Acts 26: 3 Especially because I know thee to be expert in all customs and questions which are among the Jews: wherefore I beseech thee to hear me patiently


Agrippa would have known Pauls existence as hating the Christians, and then to see the "new creation" and the ferver of his speech....

and you think Agrippa was sarcastic, not seeing a changed Paul from the previous Saul?


26 For the king knoweth of these things, before whom also I speak freely: for I am persuaded that none of these things are hidden from him; for this thing was not done in a corner. 27 King Agrippa, believest thou the prophets? I know that thou believest.


~serapha~

 

[twhite982]

Hi there!




I don't think Agrippa was being scarcastic. He knew the Jewish history and the Torah well... He studied them...


Acts 26: 3 Especially because I know thee to be expert in all customs and questions which are among the Jews: wherefore I beseech thee to hear me patiently


Agrippa would have known Pauls existence as hating the Christians, and then to see the "new creation" and the ferver of his speech....

and you think Agrippa was sarcastic, not seeing a changed Paul from the previous Saul?


26 For the king knoweth of these things, before whom also I speak freely: for I am persuaded that none of these things are hidden from him; for this thing was not done in a corner. 27 King Agrippa, believest thou the prophets? I know that thou believest.


~serapha~

Agrippa may have recognized the change in Paul, but I don't think that he wanted to be a part of it.

Here are a few alternate translations of the verse

Then Agrippa said to Paul, "You almost persuade me to become a Christian."
New King James Version © 1982 Thomas Nelson


NASB - Act 26:28 - Agrippa {replied} to Paul, "In a short time you will persuade me to become a Christian."
New American Standard Bible © 1995 Lockman Foundation


RSV - Act 26:28 - And Agrippa said to Paul, "In a short time you think to make me a Christian!"
Revised Standard Version © 1947, 1952.


Webster - Act 26:28 - Then Agrippa said to Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.
Noah Webster Version 1833 Info


Young - Act 26:28 - And Agrippa said unto Paul, `In a little thou dost persuade me to become a Christian!'
Robert Young Literal Translation 1862, 1887, 1898 Info


Darby - Act 26:28 - And Agrippa [said] to Paul, In a little thou persuadest me to become a Christian.
J.N.Darby Translation 1890 Info


ASV - Act 26:28 - And Agrippa [said] unto Paul, With but little persuasion thou wouldest fain make me a Christian.
American Standard Version 1901 Info


HNV - Act 26:28 - Agrippa said to Sha'ul, "With a little persuasion are you trying to make me a Messianic?"
Hebrew Names Version 2000 Info

I could be wrong, but it does seem to me that Agrippa isn't fully serious or commited to the actual idea of a Christian.

Anyways, sorry I didn't intend to side-track the discussion.

I'll shut up now.

Tom

 

[ah_muse]

Man is an emotional animal. This is often to the good. Without emotions our lives would be hopelessly drab and boring. But in reasoned argument, the emotions often get in the way. They blind us from seeing clearly and from thinking objectively. Our emotions can trick us; because of them, we may accept as true that which is not true and we may be led astray to regard as relevant that which is not relevent. Our emotions can make us lose sight of what we are talking about.

We all need to know what to recognize so that others will not take advantage of our emotions in order to deceive.

 

[AMMON]

Man is an emotional animal. This is often to the good. Without emotions our lives would be hopelessly drab and boring. But in reasoned argument, the emotions often get in the way. They blind us from seeing clearly and from thinking objectively. Our emotions can trick us; because of them, we may accept as true that which is not true and we may be led astray to regard as relevant that which is not relevent. Our emotions can make us lose sight of what we are talking about.

We all need to know what to recognize so that others will not take advantage of our emotions in order to deceive.

Indeed, but if did not receive some sort of a spiritual feeling that the words in the Bible were true, reason would tell us they are asinine. Science laughs at the Bible. Thus, don't discount emotions too much or you will kill your ability to believe in the Bible.

 

[Serapha]

Indeed, but if did not receive some sort of a spiritual feeling that the words in the Bible were true, reason would tell us they are asinine. Science laughs at the Bible. Thus, don't discount emotions too much or you will kill your ability to believe in the Bible.

Hi there!




Is the "burning bosom" an emotion?


~serapha~

 

[AMMON]

Hi there!




Is the "burning bosom" an emotion?


~serapha~

It is emotion, but much more... it is a physical reaction to the confirmation of the Holy Ghost. The "burning" is not a painful burning, but a warmth, a peace, pure love... there is no evil that can simulate these glorious, peaceful feelings. They are from God Himself, no question.

 

[ah_muse]

There is nothing inherently wrong with an emotional appeal. Sometimes such an appeal merely reflects a deep feeling or belief of a person who is unable to articulate the precise resons behind tht feeling or belief.

The wife may be genuinely hurt by what she interprets as her husband's inattention to her, and her feelings may manifest itself in her emotional appeal to pride.

The auto mechanic may honestly believe that your transmission is going to cause serious problems, and he may regard the appeal to fear as a short cut to get you to do what he feels is necessary.

And the Dodge Omni may be a fabulous car.

What is important is that you recognize that the emotional appeal may reflect some unstated feeling or belief, that there may be a bottom line that is not being articulated or a HIDDEN AGENDA that is not being acknowledged.

Perhaps the person trying to cajole you into buying a raffle ticket is genuinely interested in helping the church; perhaps he is merely trying to get rid of his quota of tickets.

Feelings are important, but one should not act on feelings alone. One should have reaons for acting.

It is in the obfuscation of reasons that emotional appeals are dangerous.

 

[AMMON]

There is nothing inherently wrong with an emotional appeal. Sometimes such an appeal merely reflects a deep feeling or belief of a person who is unable to articulate the precise resons behind tht feeling or belief.

The wife may be genuinely hurt by what she interprets as her husband's inattention to her, and her feelings may manifest itself in her emotional appeal to pride.

The auto mechanic may honestly believe that your transmission is going to cause serious problems, and he may regard the appeal to fear as a short cut to get you to do what he feels is necessary.

And the Dodge Omni may be a fabulous car.

What is important is that you recognize that the emotional appeal may reflect some unstated feeling or belief, that there may be a bottom line that is not being articulated or a HIDDEN AGENDA that is not being acknowledged.

Perhaps the person trying to cajole you into buying a raffle ticket is genuinely interested in helping the church; perhaps he is merely trying to get rid of his quota of tickets.

Feelings are important, but one should not act on feelings alone. One should have reaons for acting.

It is in the obfuscation of reasons that emotional appeals are dangerous.

Is it reasonable to believe that a man, without touching it, can part the Red Sea?

 

[MagusAlbertus]

Is it reasonable to believe that a man, without touching it, can part the Red Sea?

Yes, as my basis of reason comes from my faith both in the laws of physics and the laws of faith, as clearly out-lined by Jesus.

 

[AMMON]

Yes, as my basis of reason comes from my faith both in the laws of physics and the laws of faith, as clearly out-lined by Jesus.

Reason has nothing to do with faith. Reason says that a man (i.e., Moses) cannot part the Red Sea. The laws of physics say the same thing. Your argument is fallacious and circular.

 

[MagusAlbertus]

Reason says that a man (i.e., Moses) cannot part the Red Sea.

i'm sorry, ithough you asked a question; next time you feal like pontificating just use the <holyerthanthou></holyerthanthou> tags and i'll be sure not to interupt your statment of faith.

 

[happyinhisgrace]

Reason has nothing to do with faith. Reason says that a man (i.e., Moses) cannot part the Red Sea. The laws of physics say the same thing. Your argument is fallacious and circular.

REason has nothing to do with faith? Good grief!

 

[AMMON]

i'm sorry, ithough you asked a question; next time you feal like pontificating just use the <holyerthanthou></holyerthanthou> tags and i'll be sure not to interupt your statment of faith.

I asked a question; you are correct. And your answer was incorrect. Thus, I helped you understand the error of your ways. I do what I can to provide service to my fellow men.

 

[MagusAlbertus]

I do what I can to provide service to my fellow men.

like i said, your wrong, and that you have faith that I"M wrong means you didn't want to hear any answers but your own.

the decever works in many ways.

 

[AMMON]

like i said, your wrong, and that you have faith that I"M wrong means you didn't want to hear any answers but your own.

Stalemate.

 

[AMMON]

REason has nothing to do with faith? Good grief!

Reason requires, for a lack of better expression, scientific proof. Such does not exist for the majority of the Bible or the existence of God. Thus, reason has nothing to do with faith. Faith is a principle unto itself, not dependent on reason.

 

[twhite982]

like i said, your wrong, and that you have faith that I"M wrong means you didn't want to hear any answers but your own.

the decever works in many ways.

Your formula works in both directions and isn't just a one-way street.

Tom

 

[MagusAlbertus]

Your formula works in both directions and isn't just a one-way street.

Tom

I know, i'm not saying it proves him wrong, but it does prove he isn't nesisaraly right, dispite his pontification.

Reason requires, for a lack of better expression, scientific proof.

no, reason requires nothing more than heuristic normative logic.