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Alleles or Alleluia?

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by AV1611VET, Apr 3, 2012.

  1. Alleles

  2. Alleluia

  3. Both

  4. Neither

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  1. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    Please vote responsibly.
     
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  2. Jazer

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    What does this have to do with creation?
     
  3. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    Creation:

    Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
    5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
    6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
    7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?


    Evolution:


    Alleles
     
  4. Jazer

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    I do not know why the words are spelled alike, because they are pronounced different. Alleles are temporal. Alleluia are eternal.

    Luke 19:40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.
     
  5. FreethinkerWWJD

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    Both... and no one has ever put forth a good reason why it shouldn't be both... at least not in light of the Bible and science.

    Side note: I don't think you are going to get many votes on this forum because I would bet 80% of the people here don't know what Alleles are! Although they probably claim a FIRM conviction and knowledge of evolution!
     
  6. AV1611VET

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    I love your [fake] omniscience.
     
    Last edited: Apr 4, 2012
  7. CaliforniaSun

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    Anonymous poetry. Cool.

    Alvíssmál 20 It is named 'wind' with the Humans. But 'waverer' with [the Æsir] the gods. [The Vanir] the enchanting-rulers call it 'neigher' [making sounds like a horse]. The Jötnar 'shrieker' [during deadly arctic storms]. The Álfar 'whistler'. In Hel, [the dead] call it 'squall' [a sharp increase in wind speed before a rain]. Vindr heitir með mönnum. en váfuðr með goðum. kalla gneggjuð ginnregin. æpi jötnar. alfar dynfara. kalla í helju hviðuð.
     
  8. Freodin

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    Neither.... Alemannia!
     
  9. Jazer

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    Isn't Alleles a German word? It must mean something.
     
  10. CabVet

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  11. CabVet

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    For somebody who criticizes evolution as much as you do, I would expect you to know what that means. But since you don't, an allele is one of two or more forms of a gene or locus. More details here:

    Allele - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
  12. Guy1

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    They're called Alleles. I can assure you.
     
  13. Jazer

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    I did look it up and the dictionary said it was a german word. Alleluia is a latin word.
    There really is not much in the way of connection between Latin and German.

    In case you missed it the question is do you accept evolution or God.
    R we here because of blind chance or because God ordained it.
     
  14. Freodin

    Freodin Devout believer in a theologically different God

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    I don't know what kind of dictionary you use, but I'd advise you to throw it into the trash.

    Alleles is greek based, not german. Alleluia is a hebrew based, not latin.
     
  15. verysincere

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    They aren't.

    But more importantly, what in the world does the question have to do with "Creation & Evolution"?

    There is no doubt that alleles exist and are very important. And Bible-believing Christians would agree that "Alleluia" is their response to all which God has created (including alleles.)

    So the question is pointless.

    But some Christian leaders have long been known for promoting false dichotomies. This is a great example. Why would anyone ever have to choose between an allele and a Hebrew praise word?

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  16. Guy1

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    More like we're here because of random mutations acted upon in a non-random fashion by environmental pressures (I.e. Not due to simple "Blind chance")... or because your god ordained it.
     
  17. verysincere

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    A Latin transliteration of a Hebrew word is more accurate.


    No. The question stated nothing of the sort.

    And why do you assume the false dichotomy that evolution and God are opposing choices? Considering the huge number of American scientists who are theists, the question makes little sense. We accept that God established evolutionary processes to adapt living organisms to changing environments and to diversify the biosphere.

    The Bible is fine with this concept so why would you oppose it?


    It is hard to know where to begin with this many erroneous presuppositions.

    As to "blind chance" the scriptures claim that God uses "chance" for his purposes and that he controls the outcome of the casting of lots. So once again we see a false dichotomy posed here.

    As to "God ordaining" it, the Bible certainly states that God ordained chance.

    And the evidence from creation itself tells us that God ordained evolutionary processes for His glory. (And the Bible says nothing which would deny the facts of evolution.)

    Chance is not what is blind here.
     
  18. Jazer

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    I have said many times there is no conflict between Science and the Bible. What part of that are you having problems understanding?
     
  19. JanetReed

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    The part where you say 'there is no conflict between Science and the Bible'.
    If there were no conflicts how come most scientists don't believe the Bible is true?
    I think you are saying something that you wish was true and not something that is true.

    You are like the person who says 'I don't know what adultery is but I know it's wrong'.
     
  20. CaliforniaSun

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    Then I'll say you understand neither very well.
     
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