Allah

[mooduck1]

The Muslims worship the one true God, their God is our God. However they have limited understanding of our God.

Muslims have a limited understanding
Jews have more
Protestants more than them
Orthodox even more
Catholics have the fullness of revelation.

 

[S Walch]

The Muslims worship the one true God, their God is our God.

I do hope that isn't an RC teaching.

 

[mooduck1]

I've read MANY threads on this forum where people refer to Allah as the God of the Muslim's as if this is a proper name of some "false god" and that is just not true, so I would really like to set the record straight and educate those who are unaware of the fact that "Allah" is the ARAMAIC WORD ~for~ GOD.

Just as "Dios" is the SPANISH word for GOD.

And "Dieu" is the FRENCH word for GOD.

"Allah" is the ARAMAIC word for GOD.

It is not the "proper name" of a particular Islamic God connected only to Muslims. Even Aramaic CHRISTIANS use the word "Allah" to refer to GOD. The Aramaic BIBLE uses the word "Allah" for GOD, as it is the Aramaic word ~for~ God.

I would just like to ask that we please keep that in mind when making statements about Muslims and "false gods" so that we don't insult our Aramaic brothers and sisters in CHRIST because of our lack of knowledge on this subject.

Many thanks!!
angelmom

This is technically true and obviously if I spoke Aramiac or Arabic it'd be more of an important distiction. The simple fact is that sometimes the common use of a word is more important for simple discussions as we have in these forums. I am sure that MOST people realise that 'allah' means "God", however in common speach in America or the west in General, in a Christian forum, I think it's totally fine to use the term "allah" to refer to 'the God of the Muslims, or God the way the muslims see him," rather than having to say long drawn out explainations when what we really mean by using the term 'allah' is to refer to Islamic understanding of God as compared to our own. Does that make sense?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by INRI2
The Muslims worship the one true God, their God is our God.

I do hope that isn't an RC teaching.

Technically, their God is revealed through Muhammad, ours is of course Revealed through our Lord Jesus the Christ.

Revelation 1:1 [a/an] From/Un-Covering/Veiling[ apo-kaluyiV] Yeshuwa` Mashiyach, which gives to Him, the God, to show to the bondservants of Him, which is behooving to be becoming in Swiftness. And He signifies sending out* thru/by the messenger of Him, to the Bondservants of Him, Y@howchanan.

http://www.christianforums.com/t4559...emic-book.html
-revelation-a-jewish-polemic-book

 

[angelmom01]

To correct the op:

Actually, the Arabic word for "god" is ilah - Allah is indeed the name of a false pagan god.

That is why the Islamic statement of of faith is:

"La ilaha ill Allah" - there is no god (ilah) but Allah.

If Allah was merely the arabic word for "god" then it would say "La allaha ill Allah" - and it clearly doesn't.

Saying that, god or ilah isn't a name, but merely a title.

Allah is the name of the Islamic god - which is a false one.

Please feel free to do a Google search and then check a copy of a Bible published in Arabic and then ask anyone who speaks the language.... I have done all three and the Arabic word (derived from an Aramaic word) for GOD is "Allah" and it appears as such IN THE BIBLE.

Perhaps you can also refer to post #10 in which someone has already verified that they USE the word Allah in church for "God" when speaking in Arabic.

 

[INRI2]

I do hope that isn't an RC teaching.

CCC 841

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day.

 

[desmalia]

This is technically true and obviously if I spoke Aramiac or Arabic it'd be more of an important distiction. The simple fact is that sometimes the common use of a word is more important for simple discussions as we have in these forums. I am sure that MOST people realise that 'allah' means "God", however in common speach in America or the west in General, in a Christian forum, I think it's totally fine to use the term "allah" to refer to 'the God of the Muslims, or God the way the muslims see him," rather than having to say long drawn out explainations when what we really mean by using the term 'allah' is to refer to Islamic understanding of God as compared to our own. Does that make sense?

I agree with this. Common sense prevails.

 

[ContentInHim]

Well, here is your chance to go help the Muslims convince the Jews that JESUS was their Messiah and Savior instead of "bashing them".

http://www.christianforums.com/t3006763&page=17

Having read some of the strongest criticism of the prophecies of Jesus in the OT (from Jews in this CF), I would like to know why Jews cannot accept Isa (pbuh) since the Quran says:

1. Isa (pbuh) never claimed to be God, or Son of God, but asked the Jews to pray to the One God that Jews are praying now

2. Isa (pbuh) asks the Jews to follow the Torah and the Injil, hence a continuation of the revelations from God

3. Isa (pbuh) was not crucified and hence was not accursed

4. Isa (pbuh) never claimed to the Messiah the Jews are waiting for.

5. Isa (pbuh) performed many miracles to show he was the prophet of God.

You would have noticed Prophet Isa (pbuh) was in some ways totally different from the biblical Jesus whom the gospel writers made to be crucified, accursed, made false prophecies of himself.

So again, why cant Jews accept Isa (pbuh)?

Why would any Jew listen to any Muslim?

 

[desmalia]

CCC 841

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day.

Christianity is exclusive, NOT inclusive. Christ alone.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

no post.........

 

[desmalia]

Why would any Jew listen to any Muslim?

Exactly!

 

[ContentInHim]

CCC 841

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day.

So Muslims are saved? Without believing in the Messiah? That's not a real good thing, is it?

My thought is that the RCC doesn't have a real good handle on the objectives of Islam.

 

[S Walch]

Please feel free to do a Google search and then check a copy of a Bible published in Arabic and then ask anyone who speaks the language.... I have done all three and the Arabic word (derived from an Aramaic word) for GOD is "Allah" and it appears as such IN THE BIBLE.

Sorry, but the Arabic word for god is ilah.

Even the koran states it as such:

3.62: This is the true account, the true explanation: There is no Ilah (God) except Allah.

52:43: Have they an ilah (god) other than Allah?

5:4: Pronounce the Name of Allah: and fear Allah; for Allah is swift in reckoning

20:8: Allah! There is no Ilah (God) save Him. His are the most beautiful Names. To Him belong the most beautiful attributes

20:14: Verily, I am Allah. No Ilah (God) may be worshiped but I. So serve you Me, and perform regular prostration prayer for My praise. Verily the Hour is coming. I am almost hiding it from Myself

20:96: Now look at your ilah (god), of whom you have become devoted. We will (burn) it and scatter it in the sea! But your Ilah (God) is Allah: there is no ilah (god) but He. Thus do We relate to you some stories of what happened before from Our own Remembrance

8:45: O believers! When you meet an army, be firm, and think of Allah’s Name much; that you may prosper

59:22: Allah is He, no other Ilah (God) may be worshiped; Who knows both secret and open; He, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. He is Allah, Whom there is no other Ilah (God); the Sovereign, the Holy One, the Source of Security, the Guardian of Faith, the Majestic, the Irresistible, the Superb, the Compeller: Glory to Allah! He is Allah, the Creator, the Evolver, the Bestower of Forms (or Colors). To Him belong the Best Names: whatever is in the heavens and on earth declares His Praises and Glory: and He is the Mighty, the Wise

Again, I'll state it quite simply:

Allah = Name.

Ilah = Arabic word/title which means god.

Perhaps you can also refer to post #10 in which someone has already verified that they USE the word Allah in church for "God" when speaking in Arabic.

They use the name incorrectly.

It wouldn't be the first time I disagreed with what Eastern Orthodox Christians did in a church service.

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day.

Just another thing to add to the list of things the RC church teaches that is wrong in every way.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Why would any Jew listen to any Muslim?

Well, they didn't listen to me either.

Luke 21:22 because these are days of vengeance, to fulfil all things that have been written. 23 `And woe to those with child, and to those giving suck, in those days; for there shall be great distress on the land, and wrath on this People; [Daniel 12]

 

[desmalia]

Technically, their God is revealed through Muhammad, ours is of course Revealed through our Lord Jesus the Christ.

I'm sure you must have meant to type "their god", not "thier God", right???

 

[ContentInHim]

Well, they didn't listen to me either.

Nobody's heart was changed by debate - only by the Father! So don't be too hard on yourself!

 

[S Walch]

I have done all three and the Arabic word (derived from an Aramaic word) for GOD is "Allah" and it appears as such IN THE BIBLE.

Also, it wouldn't be the first time that culture has affected what is put in a translation of the Scriptures.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Again, I'll state it quite simply:

Allah = Name.

Ilah = Arabic word/title which means god.

Okay this is good to know, because many of the sources did confirm to the contrary as even a member of the theology team seem to confirm the same.

Let me look into this. Thanks for that correction if this be true.

Peace

Fireinfolding

 

[INRI2]

The Christian God is the God of the Jews and of the muslims. Because he is the God of Abraham the Father of our faith's

Christian/Jewish:Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him Isaac. I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant.

Muslim:as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation

You are now with child and you will have a son. You shall name him Ishmael, for the LORD has heard of your misery.
He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers.


"Do not be so distressed about the boy and your maidservant. Listen to whatever Sarah tells you, because it is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned. I will make the son of the maidservant into a nation also, because he is your offspring."

"What is the matter, Hagar? Do not be afraid; God has heard the boy crying as he lies there. Lift the boy up and take him by the hand, for I will make him into a great nation."

twelve rulers, the twelve sons of Ishmael, were named Nebaioth, Kedar, Adbeel, Mibsam, Mishma, Dumah, Massa, Hadad, Tema, Jetur, Naphish, and Kedemah (See Genesis 25)
Each of Ishmael's sons was a tribal chief and settled everywhere from Havilah to Shur, i.e. from the Persian Gulf to the border of Egypt. From the twelve sons of Ishmael are derived the twelve tribes of the Arabians. Jerome says that in his time they called the districts of Arabia by the names of the tribes.

Both Jewish and Islamic traditions consider Ishmael as the ancestor of Arab people

 

[S Walch]

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Okay this is good to know, because many of the sources did confirm to the contrary as even a member of the theology team seem to confirm the same.

Let me look into this. Thanks for that correction if this be true.

Peace

Fireinfolding

It's a common misconception that the Arabic name Allah corresponds to the English word God, when in fact, throughout the Koran (one of the oldest known pieces of Arabic literature, and was originally written in it's Paleo-Arabic form) the Arabic Allah is always, 100% of the time, used as a name.

Now, God, in English, isn't a name - It's a title.

Just like Lord is a title, not a name.

The koran uses the arabic word ilah as the corresponding title to our English word God, and therefore the corresponding title to the Spanish dios and so on and so forth.

That is proven by the Koran quotes I have posted in a previous post.

A few months ago, some Muslims started a topic in the non-christian section of the forum stating as such - Allah is a name, not a word meaning "God" - bu tunfortunately, like many topics in that forum, it was locked and deleted.

Edit:

Also, did a google search on "Arab Bible" and came across this page:

http://www.arabbible.com/information.php?info_id=7

Which confirms what I said, and actually shows that certain arabic bibles (like this one) use ilah and not Allah as the Arabic word/title for God.