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I already know.Alright. Was your question:
1) Did God the Father "determine" our Lord's crucifixion?
or
2) Did God the Father "order judicially" our Lord's crucifixion?
I don't think that either of those questions makes sense, but perhaps you can clarify what you want to know.
I admire your restraint, brother. If I didn't know better, I'd say he was stalling for time.I have the app.
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2: to determine or order judicially
No, the Reformed view is that Satan is on a leash, and God can tighten or loosen that leash to accomplish His plan. See: the cross.
Yes, God's perfect will is not playing out at this time.
Per Matthew 6:10, Jesus commanded us to pray "Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven". Be is in the present tense. Since Jesus will only command us to pray God's perfect will, we know that God's Perfect Will is where what is happening in heaven occurs here on earth. There is no sin, sickness, depression, or demon possession in heaven; therefore God's perfect will is not being done on earth at this time.
How can Gods plan be perfect if his will isn't being done?
Perhaps it's like a game of chess. In theory it's possible to play a perfect game (because the number of possible games is finite). So whatever move your opponent makes, there is always counter-move that will lead towards either a win or a draw.
The point is that God's outcome is assurred even if we don't make the move that He would ideally like us to make. Even if we [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] up and make a terrible mistake He will adapt His response to bring about His ultimate plan.
Not my first rodeo.I admire your restraint, brother. If I didn't know better, I'd say he was stalling for time.
No. God doesn’t just wait to see what will happen and then tries to make it all work out. He plans, and things happen.What you know is wrong.
You make it sound like God is impotent.The Bible view, is Satan is god of this world, that steals kills, and destroys, that we fight against and have to put on all the armor God has available to win that fight, and that everyone Jesus healed was sick because of the devil, not because God decreed their sickness.
Shalom.
Thanks for the discussion.That is, of course, your view of what happens. We don't know what little or lot he does, except what we see, and even that is interpreted by us according to our values.
I do not deny, (far from it), that God uses means to accomplish his ends, but he still completes precisely what he set out to do from the very beginning, and that is in EVERY detail. God "allowing" logically turns out to be the same as God "causing", but by use of means.
I don’t think that argument has been made.God diddn't decide every action of man beforehand, that like planning for something you think is wrong to someone to do it, and then tell them its wrong and they need to correct that when they do it. zero sense.
I don’t think that argument has been made.
Although his perfect will is not being done on earth at this time, I would never challenge God on his plan as that is his business. Realize that this is not a dilemma for non-Calvanists.How can Gods plan be perfect if his will isn't being done?
Yes.But you say God 'decreed' everything even evil actions, i'm pretty sure you were arguing that.
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