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[Hammster]

He's not thanking God for the affliction like the apostles in acts and expressing ill will.

No, he’s just being matter of fact about it.

 

[Hammster]

I know-I did. So obviously I would not say that God wanted this happen to you, whether He was on-duty or not. So what's your answer?

You think that’s a comforting answer?

 

[Hammster]

OK in your question who is "He"? God the Father, the Son, or the Holy Spirit, or Larry from accounting? What aspect of the cross are you specifically referring to? That a piece of wood was formed into a cross? And when you say decreed I need to know whether you are using the planet Earth definition that we can find in the dictionary, or the HammsterLand definition used only by the inhabitants of HammsterLand. The original question is too vague. When you ask and answer such a vaguely worded question, only you know what you mean. The rest of the universe has no idea what you mean. That is why you are having a conversation with yourself.

I deeply apologize. I didn’t know that the simple question needed that much of an explanation.

Was the crucifixion of Jesus Christ decreed by God Father?

 

[fhansen]

You think that’s a comforting answer?

i didn't ask you if it was a comforting answer, or even suggest that it was. In fact I didn't offer an answer at all -I only asked if you'd tell the victim that God wanted them to be abused.

 

[Hammster]

i didn't ask you if it was a comforting answer, or even suggest that it was. In fact I didn't offer an answer at all -I only asked if you'd tell the victim that God wanted them to be abused.

No, I wouldn’t. That would be awful.

 

[fhansen]

No, I wouldn’t. That would be awful.

Ya, it's not a particularly easy question as I see it.

 

[Swag365]

I deeply apologize. I didn’t know that the simple question needed that much of an explanation.

Not all of us are familiar with the definitions used on the planet on which you reside, unfortunately.

Was the crucifixion of Jesus Christ decreed by God Father?

No, God the Father did not command Judas to betray our Lord, he did not command the Sanhedrin to put him on trial, and he did not command the roman soldiers to drive nails into his limbs and hang him on the cross. He allowed these sins to occur in keeping with his ultimate plans for redeeming mankind.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

No, he’s just being matter of fact about it.

Our conversations are always interesting.

 

[Hammster]

Ya, it's not a particularly easy question as I see it.

No, it’s not. Even a biblically accurate answer wouldn’t be emotionally satisfying in a lot of cases.

 

[Hammster]

Not all of us are familiar with the definitions used on the planet on which you reside, unfortunately.

No, God the Father did not command Judas to betray our Lord, he did not command the Sanhedrin to put him on trial, and he did not command the roman soldiers to drive nails into his limbs and hang him on the cross. He allowed these sins to occur in keeping with his ultimate plans for redeeming mankind.

I ask if it was decreed, not if every aspect was commanded. If the Father wanted it to happen, it would happen just as He wanted it to.

 

[Hammster]

Our conversations are always interesting.

I try.

 

[Swag365]

I ask if it was decreed, not if every aspect was commanded. If the Father wanted it to happen, it would happen just as He wanted it to.

Definition of DECREE
decree: to command or enjoin by or as if by decree

 

[John Mullally]

So God's will is all should be saved and none should perish, and yet creation can choose to perish?

So I guess this means God does not see his will played out?

Yes, God's perfect will is not playing out at this time.

Per Matthew 6:10, Jesus commanded us to pray "Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven". Be is in the present tense. Since Jesus will only command us to pray God's perfect will, we know that God's Perfect Will is where what is happening in heaven occurs here on earth. There is no sin, sickness, depression, or demon possession in heaven; therefore God's perfect will is not being done on earth at this time.

 

[Hammster]

Definition of DECREE
decree: to command or enjoin by or as if by decree

If only there were more definitions than that.

 

[Swag365]

If only there were more definitions than that.

Yeah I don't have a copy of John Calvin's Pocket Dictionary.

 

[Hammster]

Yeah I don't have a copy of John Calvin's Pocket Dictionary.

How about Webster’s?

: a foreordaining will
//God's decree

 

[Mark Quayle]

I recall a king whom God gave a long leash just to "see what was in his heart"

The Genesis pattern seems to be in harmony with how God acts in the rest of Scripture.

He tends to only get obviously involved when things are being established, then in quiet ways in the inbetween periods.

That is, of course, your view of what happens. We don't know what little or lot he does, except what we see, and even that is interpreted by us according to our values.

I do not deny, (far from it), that God uses means to accomplish his ends, but he still completes precisely what he set out to do from the very beginning, and that is in EVERY detail. God "allowing" logically turns out to be the same as God "causing", but by use of means.

 

[Swag365]

How about Webster’s?

: a foreordaining will
//God's decree

Can't find it. Do you have a web-link to that dictionary?

Besides, you posted a definition of a noun. In your initial question you used "decree" as a verb, not as a noun. Giving me a definition of a noun does not tell me what definition of the verb you are using.

 

[Hammster]

Can't find it. Do you have a web-link to that dictionary?

Besides, you posted a definition of a noun. In your initial question you used "decree" as a verb, not as a noun. Giving me a definition of a noun does not tell me what definition of the verb you are using.

I have the app.

verb

2: to determine or order judicially

 

[Swag365]

I have the app.

verb

2: to determine or order judicially

Alright. Was your question:

1) Did God the Father "determine" our Lord's crucifixion?

or

2) Did God the Father "order judicially" our Lord's crucifixion?

I don't think that either of those questions makes sense, but perhaps you can clarify what you want to know.