All Jews will be raised up at the 2nd coming.

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Romans chapter 11 . Jews are grafted out of olive tree. The gentiles are grafted in. Both Israel and gentiles are granted in.

The Jews during millennium will be saved.

And the rapture theory is false doctrine.
Ezekiel chapter 13 to document this.

And false brethren are not in records of Israel. False brethren go into pit with satan during the millennium. It's a awful place.

Jeremiah chapter 25. Jesus will come 7th trump to clean house. False brethren are on the hit list. Get the picture.
 
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The church [Jew/Gentile] will be raptured but all other Jews will be raised from the dead.
Dan. 12:1.
At that time shall arise Michael the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble such as never has been since there was a nation till that time, but at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book.

And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake some to everlasting life and some to shame and everlasting contempt. And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament and those who turn many to righteousness like the stars forever and ever.
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We see that this happens at the time of the great tribulation and after God has delivered the Jews but it is not the general or last resurrection, it gives context to Paul's statement that "all Israel will be saved" but certainly we have here a nation of Israel after the church is gone who will go into the Millennial age, reigning on earth with Messiah Jesus.

It corresponds to Ezekiel's valley of dry bones.
These modern-day 'Jews' are not God's chosen people. Best to rip off that band-aid now; it would be better for you theologically and spiritually edifying in the long run.

I get that this dispensationalism is well embedded into evangelical Christianity, the whole rapture before the antichrist arrives and great tribulation and all that, but when the core of this doctrine is false, then the entire theology crumbles.
 
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These modern-day 'Jews' are not God's chosen people. Best to rip off that band-aid now; it would be better for you theologically and spiritually edifying in the long run.

I get that this dispensationalism is well embedded into evangelical Christianity, the whole rapture before the antichrist arrives and great tribulation and all that, but when the core of this doctrine is false, then the entire theology crumbles.
Hitler had no difficulty identifying who were Jews, they are the same Jews who are in Israel today.

Not only are they chosen but they are BELOVED of God "they are enemies of the gospel for your sake but as touching ELECTION they are beloved for the father's sake.

It is not the believing Jews God calls beloved but the enemies of the gospel.

All Christians are dispensationalists, we are not under the law as under the Mosaic dispensation we are under grace under the dispensation of grace revealed to Paul "a dispensation has been given unto me for you"

Only hyper dispensationalists or followers of Darby believe in a pretribulation rapture. The bible clearly teaches that the church will go through the tribulation.
 
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Hitler had no difficulty identifying who were Jews, they are the same Jews who are in Israel today.

Not only are they chosen but they are BELOVED of God "they are enemies of the gospel for your sake but as touching ELECTION they are beloved for the father's sake.

It is not the believing Jews God calls beloved but the enemies of the gospel.

All Christians are dispensationalists, we are not under the law as under the Mosaic dispensation we are under grace under the dispensation of grace revealed to Paul "a dispensation has been given unto me for you"

Only hyper dispensationalists or followers of Darby believe in a pretribulation rapture. The bible clearly teaches that the church will go through the tribulation.
I don't put much stock in Hitler in anything he does or thinks, and nor should you?

Allow me to throw some facts your way concerning these modern-day 'Jews'.

The word 'Jew' was only introduced into the English language in the eighteenth century, and that 'Jesus referred to Himself as a "Judean" and not as a "Jew". Inscribed upon the Cross when Jesus was Crucified were the Latin words "Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum", which means "Jesus of Nazareth, ruler of the Judeans". Now, the word "Jew" today has a religious as well as a political connotation. You think of a Jewish entity, a government, but you also think of their religion incorporated at the same time. Whereas the term "Judean" has a geographic connotation. The word Judean doesn't incorporate religion, meaning where Jesus was from was Judea - hence, He was a Judean. Additionally, the origin of the present "Jews" in Palestine, those Jews derived from Eastern Europe are not descendants of the Judeans or the lost tribes of Israel, but rather descendants of the Khazars, a nation most people do not even know of. The so-called or self-styled "Jews" in Eastern Europe in modern history cannot legitimately point to a single ancient ancestor who ever set even a foot on the soil of Palestine in the era of Bible history.

Research also revealed that the so-called or self-styled "Jews" in Eastern Europe were never "Semites" and are not "Semites" now, nor can they ever be regarded as "Semites" at any further time by any stretch of the imagination. The modern-day "Jews" were historically Khazars or Chazars, a Mongolian Nordic tribe who roamed northern Europe. The Jewish Encyclopedia states 'Persian origin' that converted to Talmudic Judaism and that had conquered a vast area of eastern Europe, which in turn was later conquered by the Russians in the 10th-13th centuries. That is why there are many Russian Jews. They are descendants of a nation that converted to Talmudic Judaism.

For a more scientific take on the Jewish origin debate, recent DNA analysis of Ashkenazic Jews- which represent a majority of Jews worldwide- revealed that their DNA only has 3% ancient ancestry, which links them with the Eastern Mediterranean (also known as the Middle East) – namely Israel, Lebanon, parts of Syria, and western Jordan. Jewish people are said to have originally come from this part of the world – according to the Old Testament. But 3% is a minuscule amount, similar to what modern Europeans share with Neanderthals. Basically, 97% of Ashkenazi Jews are of Eastern European ancestry, which corroborates that Ashkenazi Jews were descendants of Khazarian converts. There’s a reason you can’t do a DNA test in 'Israel'.

Biblically, the name 'Ashkenazic Jews' derives its name from Ashkenz, the son of Gomer, who was the son of Japeth - the son of Noah. And the Bible states, "By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; everyone after his tongue, after their families, in their nations." (Genesis 10:5). The Bible even says that the namesake of the Ashkenazic Jews was to be of the Gentiles. 'Goyim' as the Talmudic teachings say. So, these AJ, are not God's chosen people in any shape or form. However, the Semitic people Palestinians can trace their lineage all the way back before Christ, meaning they are more closely Judean than the AJ, and maybe even have a bloodline to Christ Himself.

Food for thought.

Sources: Facts Are Facts by Benjamin H. Freedman
The Origins of Ashkenaz, Ashkenazic Jews, and Yiddish
Genetic Roots of the Ashkenazi Jews
 
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I don't put much stock in Hitler in anything he does or thinks, and nor should you?

Allow me to throw some facts your way concerning these modern-day 'Jews'.

The word 'Jew' was only introduced into the English language in the eighteenth century, and that 'Jesus referred to Himself as a "Judean" and not as a "Jew". Inscribed upon the Cross when Jesus was Crucified were the Latin words "Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum", which means "Jesus of Nazareth, ruler of the Judeans". Now, the word "Jew" today has a religious as well as a political connotation. You think of a Jewish entity, a government, but you also think of their religion incorporated at the same time. Whereas the term "Judean" has a geographic connotation. The word Judean doesn't incorporate religion, meaning where Jesus was from was Judea - hence, He was a Judean. Additionally, the origin of the present "Jews" in Palestine, those Jews derived from Eastern Europe are not descendants of the Judeans or the lost tribes of Israel, but rather descendants of the Khazars, a nation most people do not even know of. The so-called or self-styled "Jews" in Eastern Europe in modern history cannot legitimately point to a single ancient ancestor who ever set even a foot on the soil of Palestine in the era of Bible history.

Research also revealed that the so-called or self-styled "Jews" in Eastern Europe were never "Semites" and are not "Semites" now, nor can they ever be regarded as "Semites" at any further time by any stretch of the imagination. The modern-day "Jews" were historically Khazars or Chazars, a Mongolian Nordic tribe who roamed northern Europe. The Jewish Encyclopedia states 'Persian origin' that converted to Talmudic Judaism and that had conquered a vast area of eastern Europe, which in turn was later conquered by the Russians in the 10th-13th centuries. That is why there are many Russian Jews. They are descendants of a nation that converted to Talmudic Judaism.

For a more scientific take on the Jewish origin debate, recent DNA analysis of Ashkenazic Jews- which represent a majority of Jews worldwide- revealed that their DNA only has 3% ancient ancestry, which links them with the Eastern Mediterranean (also known as the Middle East) – namely Israel, Lebanon, parts of Syria, and western Jordan. Jewish people are said to have originally come from this part of the world – according to the Old Testament. But 3% is a minuscule amount, similar to what modern Europeans share with Neanderthals. Basically, 97% of Ashkenazi Jews are of Eastern European ancestry, which corroborates that Ashkenazi Jews were descendants of Khazarian converts. There’s a reason you can’t do a DNA test in 'Israel'.

Biblically, the name 'Ashkenazic Jews' derives its name from Ashkenz, the son of Gomer, who was the son of Japeth - the son of Noah. And the Bible states, "By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; everyone after his tongue, after their families, in their nations." (Genesis 10:5). The Bible even says that the namesake of the Ashkenazic Jews was to be of the Gentiles. 'Goyim' as the Talmudic teachings say. So, these AJ, are not God's chosen people in any shape or form. However, the Semitic people Palestinians can trace their lineage all the way back before Christ, meaning they are more closely Judean than the AJ, and maybe even have a bloodline to Christ Himself.

Food for thought.

Sources: Facts Are Facts by Benjamin H. Freedman
The Origins of Ashkenaz, Ashkenazic Jews, and Yiddish
Genetic Roots of the Ashkenazi Jews
You can bleeve all that if you want to, you don't need a DNA test, the Jews are the most recognisable people on earth, they have been down their generations. That's how they were so easily persecuted.

Moreover there is a little thing called the shibboleth, it's a click in their tongue, only Jews can do it. It's how they recognise each other.
 
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