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No I do not. God's Word does.I'm glad you used Strong's. Now you just need to pick a version of the Bible (the one you believe to be most accurate) and try and stick to it.
I think I've done this before with you but I'm going to try one more time to explain this verse to you and give you it's proper interpretation and I'll do this by taken it apart and explaining the meaning of each part:
1)"There were false prophets among the people" the word "were" means past event (this is not to say that it does not say that it may exist in the present).
2) "even as there shall be false teachers among you" Peter is talking to the church in Rome and he is referring to false teachers which are in Rome at the time who were attempting to corrupt the church. We can assume that this has carry up through the church unto this day.
3) What does he say next? These false teachers "shall bring in damnable heresies" (will leave you comment out for now, although not debating it) and .... and bring upon themselves swift destruction". So I have a couple of things to say about this: first off, this is certainly truth (the word is the word of truth, I hope you have no problem with this and hope your spirit agrees) but where does it say who specifically these false teachers are what are teaching which is false and heresy?
They are denying the Lord that bought them.
So two questions:
1) How does one "deny the Lord" and
2) How (since you accuse me of being a "false teacher" and I guess a false prophet) how have I denied the Lord (either God or Jesus)? Even denying the Holy Spirit would not be enough (although don't deny even Him since I can't count the number of times that I've referred to Him in my posts? You do know that when you deny God's word you are denying Jesus (the Lord that bought you)? You need not reply if you don't want to. I'd prefer it that way rather than to hear your normal rhetoric and/or ad hominem attacks.
What I meant about no meat to what you say is that you often are not speaking something no one else doesn't already know, as you do n this post. To me anyway, that this is being done spiritually instead of physically seems like milk doctrine. It is not that you are always incorrect about what you say but the vagueness you leave about why you are saying it. I see from the part I highlighted in red above in your comment that you see the rebuilding of the Tabernacle of David as, quote, "(God's Spiritual temple)." And you know I agree with that, or should know. So what is your point? Jerusalem is even called, "the city of David", which of course we knows refers to Christ. That is all milk, so what is your point? You wear people out because it becomes like, "Have we been having a conversation or not?" You make everyone feel their words have been wasted on you and then turn and say that is what they do with your words while not really listening to them to know.More on Zion and saviorS which you reject and call my it my own reasoning
Acts 15: 13-18 (ESV) 16 "'After this I will return,and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen;I will rebuild its ruins, and I will restore it 17 that the remnant of mankind may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles who are called by my name, says the Lord, who makes these things 18 known from of old.'
Acts 15: 13-18 (Message) James broke the silence. "Friends, listen. Simeon has told us the story of how God at the very outset made sure that racial outsiders were included. This is in perfect agreement with the words of the prophets: After this, I'm coming back; I'll rebuild David's ruined house; I'll put all the pieces together again; I'll make it look like new So outsiders who seek will find, so they'll have a place to come to, All the pagan peoples included in what I'm doing. "God said it and now he's doing it. It's no afterthought; he's always known he would do this
Acts 15: (Amp) 17So that the rest of men may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles upon whom My name has been invoked,
Acts 15: (HCSB) 17 so that those who are left of mankind may seek the Lord— even all the Gentiles who are called by My name, says the Lord who does these things,
Acts 15: 17 (NIRV) Then the rest of the people can look to the Lord. This means all the non-Jews who belong to me. The Lord says this. He is the one who does these things.' —(Amos 9:11,12)
Now if the rest of men may seek the Lord, All the pagan peoples included in what I'm doing “, “ all the Gentiles , the “remainder of man kind are destroyed as you proclaim in the Lake of Devine Purging (Lake of Fire); then what about this promise.
Amos 9:1 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David (Zion/remnant/ firstfruits) that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old: (God's Spiritual temple)
12That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the LORD that doeth this.
13Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him that soweth seed; and the mountains shall drop sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt. (time frame)
14And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them.
15And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God.
Acts 15: 13-18 (ESV) 16(A) "'After this I will return,and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen;I will rebuild its ruins, and I will restore it 17that the remnant of mankind(B) may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles(C) who are called by my name, says the Lord, who makes these things 18(D) known from of old.'
Acts 15: 13-18 (Message) James broke the silence. "Friends, listen. Simeon has told us the story of how God at the very outset made sure that racial outsiders were included. This is in perfect agreement with the words of the prophets: After this, I'm coming back; I'll rebuild David's ruined house; I'll put all the pieces together again; I'll make it look like new So outsiders who seek will find, so they'll have a place to come to, All the pagan peoples included in what I'm doing. "God said it and now he's doing it. It's no afterthought; he's always known he would do this
Acts 15: (Amp) 17So that the rest of men may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles upon whom My name has been invoked,
Acts 15: (HCSB) 17 so that those who are left of mankind may seek the Lord— even all the Gentiles who are called by My name, says the Lord who does these things,
Acts 15: 17 (NIRV) Then the rest of the people can look to the Lord. This means all the non-Jews who belong to me. The Lord says this. He is the one who does these things.' —(Amos 9:11,12)
Now if the rest of men may seek the Lord, All the pagan peoples included in what I'm doing “, “ all the Gentiles , the “remainder of man kind are destroyed as you proclaim in the Lake of Devine Purging (Lake of Fire); then what about this promise.
Latin Vulgate
15:17 ut requirant ceteri hominum Dominum et omnes gentes super quas invocatum est nomen meum dicit Dominus faciens haec
King James Version
15:17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
American Standard Version
15:17 That the residue of men may seek after the Lord, And all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called,
Bible in Basic English
15:17 So that the rest of men may make search for the Lord, and all the Gentiles on whom my name is named,
Darby's English Translation
15:17 so that the residue of men may seek out the Lord, and all the nations on whom my name is invoked, saith the Lord, who does these things
Douay Rheims
15:17 That the residue of men may seek after the Lord, and all nations upon whom my name is invoked, saith the Lord, who doth these things.
Noah Webster Bible
15:17 That the residue of men may seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
Weymouth New Testament
15:17 In order that the rest of mankind may earnestly seek the Lord--even all the nations which are called by My name,'
World English Bible
15:17 That the rest of men may seek after the Lord; All the Gentiles who are called by my name, Says the Lord, who does all these things.
Young's Literal Translation
15:17 that the residue of men may seek after the Lord, and all the nations, upon whom My name hath been called, saith the Lord, who is doing all these things.
Albert Barnes' Notes on the Whole Bible
That the residue of men - This verse is quoted literally from the Septuagint, and differs in some respects from the Hebrew. The phrase, “the residue of men,” here is evidently understood, both by the Septuagint and by James, as referring to others than Jews, to the Gentiles the rest of the world - implying that many of them would be admitted to the friendship and favor of God. The
And all the Gentiles - Heb. all the pagan; that is, all who were not Jews. This was a clear prediction that other nations were to be favored with the true religion, and that without any mention of their conforming to the rites of the Jewish people.
Bibliography
Barnes, Albert. "Commentary on Acts 15:17". "Barnes' Notes on the New Testament". https:Acts 15 Commentary - Albert Barnes' Notes on the Whole Bible. 1870.
Great you can quote scripture, but what does it actually mean? Anyone can go on the Internet and jump on an online Bible and pick a verse out and copy and paste it. But does that mean that they know what it means and whether or not it applies to whatever discussion they're having? You can't just quote some scripture, not explain it's meaning and tell everyone that it's too spiritual for them to grasp, they're too carnal or too religious.No I do not. God's Word does.
Peter 2:1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable (the destruction which consists of eternal misery in hell) heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
I have no idea what you want. I have explained the natural realm is used as spiritual examples of the spiritual realm because the spiritual realm is hidden from the carnal religious man who see the the Bible as the letter. God's Hidden Word is spiritual not literal like the bay goat. I did not put the word baby goat in Matthew 25 Jesus said these words to confound the carnal believers to believe a goat is unclean and the loss. But there is no way this is true if you look at the examples Jesus knew when He spoke these words. he knew a baby goat was a clean animal.What I meant about no meat to what you say is that you often are not speaking something no one else doesn't already know, as you do n this post. To me anyway, that this is being done spiritually instead of physically seems like milk doctrine. It is not that you are always incorrect about what you say but the vagueness you leave about why you are saying it. I see from the part I highlighted in red above in your comment that you see the rebuilding of the Tabernacle of David as, quote, "(God's Spiritual temple)." And you know I agree with that, or should know. So what is your point? Jerusalem is even called, "the city of David", which of course we knows refers to Christ. That is all milk, so what is your point? You wear people out because it becomes like, "Have we been having a conversation or not?" You make everyone feel their words have been wasted on you and then turn and say that is what they do with your words while not really listening to them to know.
Try again, identifying your main point and speaking that point plainly and then bring in the Scriptures directly related to each aspect of your main point so that we can follow what your point is.
And condense it as much as possible. Try to learn to be effective expressing nutshell thoughts and stick to the point instead of making excursions.
Look at the irony of thatI have no idea what you want. I have explained the natural realm is used as spiritual examples of the spiritual realm because the spiritual realm is hidden from the carnal religious man who see the the Bible as the letter. God's Hidden Word is spiritual not literal like the bay goat. I did not put the word baby goat in Matthew 25 Jesus said these words to confound the carnal believers to believe a goat is unclean and the loss. But there is no way this is true if you look at the examples Jesus knew when He spoke these words. he knew a baby goat was a clean animal.
Same with Zion. We have so many wonderful examples in the OT that should be spiritual examples yet the religious realm ignores this information and calls them Bible stories which are great for Grand-kids. But they are far deeper.
Spiritual language is something we need to hear from within revealed by God's Sprit not some long dead scholar.not defending bias with out which is just the letter that killeth. SaviorS coming out of Mt Zion is not my imagination yet you do not see this scriptural and spiritual fact. Why would it be written this way if there is not something amazing about it. Yes Jesus is my Lord and savior but God also has an elect and God's elect are not going to some far all white cloud to play harps. God's Elect will be used in the ages to come to draw all pagan people God has never called. You reject this message is the reason you refuse to see it. I have posted plenty of verses yet they mean nothing to your understanding.
Obadiah 1:21 And saviours shall come up on mount Zion (the high places of Ruleship in the kingdom) to judge the mount of Esau (Flesh); and the kingdom shall be the LORD's.
The Bible does say that we are to let two or three witnesses establish a matter.Look at the irony of that2 TIm and myself were thinking the same thing and writing about it at the same time not even knowing we were doing it.
We posted seconds apart. What does that tell you?
You want to treat me like a child I am done with you. You spin scripture when it does not fit your bias and that is about as plan as it gets. SaviorS coming out of Mt Zion may not fit how you see it but is is a scriptural fact.Look at the irony of that2 TIm and myself were thinking the same thing and writing about it at the same time not even knowing we were doing it.
We posted seconds apart. What does that tell you?
As I saiid,
I remember clear back before I even could talk clearly as a toddler. I know, most people don't, but I do. I don't know why but I do. And I remember how as I was learning to talk I felt so frustrated that my mother would keep saying she could not understand what i was saying to her. I remember that I had a hard time with her saying that because to me I sounded totally plain. But obviously not to her.
We have a similar cognitive problem here. And the only solutions are for us to go slow with you, which then upsets you, or for you to work at expressing yourself plainer. You have had to have heard this from some around you in your daily life, for I know I did when I had a similar problem expressing myself. But it seems you have concluded it is just that those who cannot link to your thoughts have a defect. I felt that way as I was learning to talk. It was to me like they just did not care to try to understand me. I am talking one and two years old. I learned to read sitting on my mother's knee from using the Bible as my text book.
reminds me of JW. Two or three witness work great when you all have the same bias and you are all believing in a doctrine that the Bible you believe in labels you a false teacher and false prophet and a heretic.The Bible does say that we are to let two or three witnesses establish a matter.
Matthew 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
You want to treat me like a child I am done with you. You spin scripture when it does not fit your bias and that is about as plan as it gets. SaviorS coming out of Mt Zion may not fit how you see it but is is a scriptural fact.
I get what you mean about kids. But as I have said before, young goats do not grow up to be anything but old goats. Therefore to refer to them as kids is a great way to highlight their defiant immaturity.I have no idea what you want. I have explained the natural realm is used as spiritual examples of the spiritual realm because the spiritual realm is hidden from the carnal religious man who see the the Bible as the letter. God's Hidden Word is spiritual not literal like the bay goat. I did not put the word baby goat in Matthew 25 Jesus said these words to confound the carnal believers to believe a goat is unclean and the loss. But there is no way this is true if you look at the examples Jesus knew when He spoke these words. he knew a baby goat was a clean animal.
I am not sulking but if you are going to insult this conversation surely coming to an end. Agreed about the baby goat defiant immaturity but a goat is a clean animal making it a believer. Jesus knew this as a Jew and that is what He met. If Jesus wanted to speak of the loss he would of used the language of the law of Moses and would of separated the sheep from the pigs. Everyone agrees here a sheep is symbolic of a mature believer it did not use the word lamb here so maturity was relevant. A sheep and the goat are the same in the since they are BOTH clean. This is how God's Word hides the spirit of the Word in the letter. Let God's Spirit open the hidden mysteries instead of just reading the Bible with our human carnal brain. That is how most read the Bible. That is why the Spirit of truth must quicken or make alive His deep mysteries or sacred secrets.I get what you mean about kids. But as I have said before, young goats do not grow up to be anything but old goats. Therefore to refer to them as kids is a great way to highlight their defiant immaturity.
Remember this:
Psalms 58:3 "The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies."
So all the word "kid" tells us is that they are not likely to ever change.
But if you wish to sulk, go right ahead. It is like saying that a leopard cannot change its spots.
There you go with your bologna about the hiding in the letter. It may be hid from you but not from me.I am not sulking but if you are going to insult this conversation surely coming to an end. Agreed about the baby goat defiant immaturity but a goat is a clean animal making it a believer. Jesus knew this as a Jew and that is what He met. If Jesus wanted to speak of the loss he would of used the language of the law of Moses and would of separated the sheep from the pigs. Everyone agrees here a sheep is symbolic of a mature believer it did not use the word lamb here so maturity was relevant. A sheep and the goat are the same in the since they are BOTH clean. This is how God's Word hides the spirit of the Word in the letter. Let God's Spirit open the hidden mysteries instead of just reading the Bible with our human carnal brain. That is how most read the Bible. That is why the Spirit of truth must quicken or make alive His deep mysteries or sacred secrets.
Yes I do brush it off because it is total spin. learn what? I was very clear about the sheep and goats but you will not budge on you twisting scripture. God hides his deep Word from people like you.There you go with your bologna about the hiding in the letter. It may be hid from you but not from me.
You look at the mistranslations and then come up with another wild mistranslation to replace it. I have also told you that before. For example I have explained that in both Matthew 25:34 and 41 he is speaking to neither the sheep nor the goats but to the 5 and 5 virgins which are the left and the right to whom those sheep and goats are gathered. But rather than think about it you brush it off by your superior intelligence the same as you did one other crucial factor I tried to get you to see which crucial factor ties right in with this. And you say I am the one not listening!
I have told you many times that there is a just judgement of the unjust with the aim of saving and that is what the coming age is about. This age is predominantly about those who will rule with Christ over that judgment where the harder cases will get all they help they need free of the blinding influences of this world. I told you there is a distinct difference between the unjust (which merely means unrighteous) and the wicked. But you don't care to learn more about that.
If I remember right, you even agreed with the part about the coming judgment, but then you fail to put the pieces together because you are so obsessed with what you desire to believe.
You make the subject of Matthew 25 the sheep and the goats but it is not. The subject are the workers who care for the belongings of Christ. ponder that chapter until you see that. The are the Ten Virgins. They are the servants who received talents. The whole chapter is focused on them.Yes I do brush it off because it is total spin. learn what? I was very clear about the sheep and goats but you will not budge on you twisting scripture. God hides his deep Word from people like you.
Prov 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.
There you go again with your self-righteous tangent. What does that reveal about you?I think you are so locked in your bias you cannot see outside its walls. I find scripture full of hidden secrets for those who have ears to hear but if you have no hearing outside your JW that makes since. The word mystery was written around twenty time sin the New testament and means sacred secret in the Greek,
John 4:2423 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Matthew 13
13:13 Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.
13:14 And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says: 'Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, And seeing you will see and not perceive;
13:15 For the hearts of this people have grown dull. Their ears are hard of hearing, And their eyes they have closed, Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them.'
13:16 "But blessed are your eyes for they see, and your ears for they hear;
Spin.You make the subject of Matthew 25 the sheep and the goats but it is not. The subject are the workers who care for the belongings of Christ. ponder that chapter until you see that. The are the Ten Virgins. They are the servants who received talents. The whole chapter is focused on them.
Of course some of those goats will not pass the coming judgment but many will. Many can be and will be salvaged.
No just attacking your spin.There you go again with your self-righteous tangent. What does that reveal about you?
Childish? You are a child spiritually speaking and very carnal. I am done with your childish games.Does that not seem rather childish to you?
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