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You are really an amazing scholar as long as it suits you but you are far more of a bias defender than a seeker of truth. But that is where you are at. You have built up these hard walls much the same way as JW or baptist and fear moving beyond them. God's Word is new because it is spiritual. Nothing new written but you see a spiriual man seeks ask and knocks and seeks the new manna not yesterdays manna that stinks. he understands there is a deep hidden manna hidden with in God's glory (the Ark of the Covenant).
 
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Revelation is the most spiritual book ever written and you are literaliz-ing it with human thinks just like the baby goat in Matthew 25. God's temple is with in us for it is a spiritual temple not Physical. That is why it is so important to understand the physical temples all of them in the OT that includes the Tabernacle of David.


"This is the word of the Lord unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by My Spirit, says the Lord of hosts. Who are you, O great mountain? Before Zerubbabel you shall become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it." (Zechariah 4:6-7).

Not only was there a literal fulfillment of this Scripture, in Zerubbabel's day, but it also holds within it a PROPHETIC WORD, of the greater temple being built, and the establishment of the NEW COVENANT, of which Jesus Christ is both the Chief Cornerstone, and the Capstone. He is both Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End, and without Him there would be no LIVING TEMPLE established. He is THE ALL!

The Dictionary defines a headstone as: the principle stone in a foundation, the cornerstone. JESUS CHRIST IS THAT STONE! Peter writes this very clearly, "To Whom we come, as unto a Living Stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious."
(1 Peter 2:4). Without this Stone, the next verse would never have been written. "You also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ." (v. 5). All that we are, all that we shall ever become to His praise, is BY JESUS CHRIST. We are His workmanship, and we are to be conformed to His image. "Wherefore also it is contained in the Scripture, Behold, I lay in Zion a CHIEF CORNERSTONE, elect, precious: and he that believes on Him shall not be confounded." (v. 6).


"This is the word of the Lord unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by My Spirit, says the Lord of hosts. Who are you, O great mountain? Before Zerubbabel you shall become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it." (Zechariah 4:6-7).


Revelation 11:2
But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.


Why would God leave out the “court which is without the temple” in a natural physical temple?
 
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Then speak of that new manna in an orderly fashion which lets the illustrations of the Bible such as that temple show at Revelation 11 do the most of the supporting that you are actually speaking truth.

The problem is you do not use what it is in your Bible. You instead reinvent what is there to suit your ideas. And then you ridicule others for seeing that.

Reveal that hidden manna building on those Bible based illustrations which are already there. Let me see if you can do that. Until you can, what you speak fails testing.
 
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Because the temple is really only actually its sanctuary. All built onto the outside of that sanctuary are just showing those who benefit from what goes on in that sanctuary.

At 1 Peter 2:5-6 Peter has in mind what Paul described at Hebrews 12:22-24.

The Tabernacle of David takes care of itself. It is only priests who become associate kings with Christ. And so it is enough to know that Christ secured the throne of David.
 
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I have. Did I not show you the lampstand and the Tabernacle of David, the baby goat and there are so much more. Your problem is it must fit the way you see things for it to be truth. Its called revelation not tradition. I believe God's Word is new. You have been taught amazing traditions and language but you are not an explorer of truth you have become a defender of bias.

That is wonderful if you are a natural scholar of math, science, music etc. But God's Word is spiritual and that makes it not of matter of brain power which is important but hearing power and I am not speaking of the appendages on the side of your hear. There is a point where you leave the friendly crowds of The children of Israel and climb the mountain of God by yourself like Moses did.

Psalm 103:7

He made known his ways unto Moses, his acts unto the children of Israel.

Moses knew God face to face; not like the children of Israel who knew only God’s acts. The blind lead the blind in religion today; they know only the acts…

God’s Word is like a river that flows:

Ezekiel 47: 4 Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through the waters; the waters were to the knees. Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through; the waters were to the loins.


5Afterward he measured a thousand; and it was a river that I could not pass over: for the waters were risen, waters to swim in, a river that could not be passed over.


How deep is your river; up to your ankles or knees; or is it so deep and mighty all you can do is float as if flows and gets deep and wider continually.

I cannot and will not fit God’s Word in a man made box; it is like a river that flows and gets deeper and deeper; in fact so deep at times you cannot no longer stand; that is where faith comes in.


Jeremiah 2:13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can

hold no water.


I look around at the vast majority of God’s awesome people who remind me more of Lawyers defending the law according to the way they have been taught no matter how evil the law is. There is no room in their religious brain to dig deeper, or explore the most awesome book ever written; words like “new” scare them.


Broken Cisterns is all they have; Jeremiah had it totally right. To look beyond those man made principles is so contrary to established creeds and doctrine; they are just like the Catholic Church in the Dark Ages. Luther was a man who was called of God; Luther was not perfect; but Luther did something most Christians refuse to do; hear God and walk with the principles God had given Him. Lutherans today hear Luther and walk with the principle Luther taught them, and do not comprehend God’s Spirit has moved beyond Luther and his dead creed and dogmas. The Bible is not a law Book; but a living moving book that goes beyond the principles man made established icons.
 
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Posts like this prove you are stuck in your pride on defending your self. You cannot be free to see and evaluate truth and revelation of God and be that way.

Get hold of your self. Discipline yourself to forget yourself so that you can focus and so that you can cease gushing these rivers of hatred.
 
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This is true. The glory of God is in the Ark of God which is symbolic by the Tabernacle of David at Zion. here David was both priest and King naturally speaking. What a wonderful glorious experience King David had with God's glory present every day where he lived and worked.

I love the name of the Priest of the old older (church realm) Icahbod. It means the glory has departed. Every time God starts a new work the glory departs out of the old order.
 
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Not a all. I am defending what is truth not myself. It is a matter of spiritual vision not intellect or defending bias. Mt Zion is a rock of offense and a stone of stumbling.
 
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David set on God's throne so how could it be any other way. His throne was not his own power. It was not a physical throne which mere man builds. David's physical throne only poorly represented his true throne, who is God.
 
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Not a all. I am defending what is truth not myself. It is a matter of spiritual vision not intellect or defending bias. Mt Zion is a rock of offense and a stone of stumbling.
Mt Zion is a rock of offense and a stone of stumbling for many but not for me. Neither in fact are you. I do not speak selfishly as you do. I speak for your benefit, not to satisfy personal offense.
 
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Mt Zion is a rock of offense and a stone of stumbling for many but not for me. Neither in fact are you. I do not speak selfishly as you do. I speak for your benefit, not to satisfy personal offense.
That is what you think but you are wrong. You reject the message of Zion. That is where God's glory is. The Melchizedek Priesthood where in ages to come all people who never were called will be called and all flesh shall see the salvation of God. Acts 15
 
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And I would suppose that you cannot see how vague and filled with misconstruing that emotional comment is? You are butchering the meaning of Christ alone being the king/priest according to the manner of Melchizedek. And giving nothing to really be able to intelligently reply to. You have satisfied your emotion but that is it.
 
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David set on God's throne so how could it be any other way. His throne was not his own power. It was not a physical throne which mere man builds. David's physical throne only poorly represented his true throne, who is God.
Amen. Not poorly, sure very earthly... BUT pretty amazing for the natural realm but a wonderful example of the true Mount Zion as a physical example. Its is the Tabernacle of David that makes David's throne so amazing. God's glory. No priest, no outer court the Holy of Holies at Zion. That means God's glory. its like a pouring out of God's Spirit before the day of Pentecost. Who is God's glory? Jesus.
 
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The primary difference is that the sanctuary of the temple actually exists right here on this earth in a heavenly place whereas that throne of David actually is in the very presence of God and fulfilled in Christ having inherited David's throne.

Why is it that those associate king/priests cannot be said to be king/priests according to the manner of Melchizedek as can be said of Christ?
 
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How am I butchering Christ with comment? It is the spiritual Word God desires for us to seek not the letter that killeth. The wheat is hidden in the chaff and they are one in the same until mature both green and need of each other to grow. The chaff is separated at the time of harvest just like the old order of Ichabod. Not emotional spiritual and scriptural. Remember the glory is always hidden in scripture you need spiritual eyes not emotional eyes.

When David brought the Ark back to Mount Zion he wore an linen ephod, (In other word’s a priestly garment) David also offered burnt offerings to God as the High priest would on the Feast of Tabernacles. There was no high Priest; once a year at the Feast of Atonement at Zion; but David was an example of both King and Priest in that the Ark was not at Shiloh but Zion. No outer court, no holy place, no Levitical order. It is no wonder the Bible is full of pages written by David because of the influence of God’s Ark at Zion.


2 Samuel 6:

14And David danced before the LORD with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod.

17And they brought in the ark of the LORD, and set it in his place, in the midst of the tabernacle that David had pitched for it: and David offered burnt offerings and peace offerings before the LORD


Point being God is going to reestablish the Tabernacle of David in a called out people to become kings and priest unto God for the remainder of God’s people he has not called.
 
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You need to drop your obsession with that idea of seeking not the letter which kills. It is shutting your thinking down.

Answer this question: Why is it that those associate king/priests cannot be said to be king/priests according to the manner of Melchizedek as can be said of Christ?
 
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Melchizedek are God's elect his remnant/firstfruits/ the overcomers not the multitude before the throne. They will rule and reign as David dis with his court at Spiritual Mount Zion. Jerusalem speaks of the non ruling people of God not the elect.

Revelation 11:2
But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Notice God is not concerned with the outer court for He is dealing with his elect; the outer court will be dealt with by the Kings and Priest from the Tabernacle of David.
 
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It may offend you but it is a fact. 2 Corinthians 3:6
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

So many of God’s people cannot see what is beyond the letter that killeth; such a strong word “killeth” given to describe what happens when you use you carnalize, literalize your understanding when interpreting scripture. So much doom and gloom in Traditional Christianity; verse that support the doctrine of eternal torment.


This is what has happened with these two subjects verses on the baby goat and the spirits in prison. There are two Word of God at work here: one that relies on tradition, man’s logic and scholarly approach. The other Word of God that is led by the Spirit of God that is quicken not by the dead letter that killeth but by what the Spirit of God has quicken.


Are we destroying, slaying, and killing God’s Word when we refuse to allow God’s Spirit to give it life. Is not the spirit of truth with in us; but is that what we are following when all we see is the negative. God’s Spirit is in all of us, we have gone way to accustom to hearing man; and not The Spirit of truth with in.


Killeth: NT:615 apokteino (ap-ok-ti'-no); from NT:575 and kteino (to slay); to kill outright; figuratively, to destroy:


2 Corinthians 3:1Do we begin again to commend ourselves? or need we, as some others, epistles of commendation to you, or letters of commendation from you? 2Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:

3Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. 4And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: 5Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;

6Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

7But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

8How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

9For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory
 
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I knew you did not understand that and that is what I was referring to when I said "butchering." You have indeed butchered the meaning of it.

Christ alone is that king/priests according to the manner of Melchizedek, he alone having no beginning dependent upon his birth as a human. But I see that this is a part of your ideas that humans existed first as spirits. No wonder your thinking is so messed up.
 
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I am not going to even read that post as i warned you about your emotional flooding. You are just using a truth you can twist to support your writing your own Bible.
 
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