Aliens and Parallel Universes

[SpiritualBeing]

I often wonder. Does this mean if Aliens are real do we all meet in heaven or are there other heavens.

We call them entities. We meet them in a different dimension where time/space does not exist.

 

[stevevw]

Would not an omnipotent being be capable of holding a relationship with multiple civilizations?

An omnipotent God would be capable but it is the key act of sacrificing His son to enable this that I see as the problem. I just think God having to give his son over and over again and Jesus having to go through the whole ordeal on multiple times would make a mockery of it.

Besides the bible sates that Christ died once and for all for sin. This would apply to all creation not part of creation. Just as we would not and could not know what happens on distant planets nor could intelligent life know that Jesus died for their sins if it only happened on earth. I believe the calcification and resurrection of Christ needs to happen on the same planet as the sinners meant to be saved as this allows people to relate better and gives more authority.

 

[stevevw]

Why do you think that would be a problem?

Because the bible says that Jesus died once and for all for sin.

 

[stevevw]

If aliens exist they are not going to be humanlike. They will be so different that salvation won't work the same for them, if it even applies at all.

I am basing things on the way evolution is claimed to work for life on other planets. If scientists are pointing out that for example water and some sort of breathable atmosphere are needed for life and they point out planets that occupy a certain zone from a star that displays the qualities of earth then it seems logical that evolution would produce similar life. Evolution claims many examples of convergence and how certain environments produced certain outcomes. For me water would produce similar life. That life would eventually move onto land and eventually end up in the same place we did. There may be other life that is not human life but when you consider the way evolution is claimed to work and the vastness of the universe with many earth like planets the chances of humanlike life being produced seems fairly high.

 

[stevevw]

Evolution is not the same thing as abiogenesis.

Ok, I was pointing out how evolution is claimed to be spontaneous in evolving intelligent life as opposed to being created by God. If intelligent life can evolve without God then it should be able to do it again and again if the conditions are right.

 

[Strathos]

I am basing things on the way evolution is claimed to work for life on other planets. If scientists are pointing out that for example water and some sort of breathable atmosphere are needed for life and they point out planets that occupy a certain zone from a star that displays the qualities of earth then it seems logical that evolution would produce similar life. Evolution claims many examples of convergence and how certain environments produced certain outcomes. For me water would produce similar life. That life would eventually move onto land and eventually end up in the same place we did. There may be other life that is not human life but when you consider the way evolution is claimed to work and the vastness of the universe with many earth like planets the chances of humanlike life being produced seems fairly high.

Look at the diversity of life on earth. How many of the billions of species we have here are 'humanlike'? Just one.

 

[Shemjaza]

Ok, I was pointing out how evolution is claimed to be spontaneous in evolving intelligent life as opposed to being created by God. If intelligent life can evolve without God then it should be able to do it again and again if the conditions are right.

Possibly, but if you look at all the millions of species of life on Earth and see only a single intelligent species... it would seem reasonable to assume that it's rare.

 

[Radagast]

Possibly, but if you look at all the millions of species of life on Earth and see only a single intelligent species... it would seem reasonable to assume that it's rare.

Total number of radio messages received from the rest of the universe so far: 0

 

[SelfSim]

As far as we know, Earth is the only planet in the universe that can sustain human life.

Everything else is just speculation based on opinions.

 

[Ophiolite]

As far as we know, Earth is the only planet in the universe that can sustain human life.

Everything else is just speculation based on opinions.

I agree that "everything else is just speculation". However, many of those speculations are based upon detailed observations, sound, current theory and well structured argument. Certainly opinions determine which point on a spectrum of possibilities is favoured, but suggesting opinions alone lie at the heart of the speculations is seriously misleading.

 

[Shemjaza]

Total number of radio messages received from the rest of the universe so far: 0

I doubt we're alone in the universe... but I'd believe alone in the galaxy.

Saying that alien life doesn't exist because we haven't received any radio signals is like me saying that there aren't any more kangaroos in Australia because I can't see one in my bedroom. Aliens might not exist, but we fundamentally haven't looked yet.

 

[Radagast]

Aliens might not exist, but we fundamentally haven't looked yet.

We've looked quite seriously (remember SETI?), and heard nothing. The most likely explanation for that is that there's nothing to hear.

 

[Coleton Bryce Ritmanich]

If there are aliens, then they would consider us alien too from their perspective. LOL~

Seriously though, hasn't their been bacteria discovered on a meteorite or something? I vaguely remember someone making a big deal out of that a long while ago. Wouldn't that bacteria be considered alien? I don't know. Maybe they just haven't evolved into a humanoid form yet? If we're talking about intelligent life, think of all the stuff the bible says about what it takes to have the capacity to have knowledge.

Personally, If evolution is to be believed, and you trace back the human population, the way we ended up not overpopulating the earth is amazing.

If we do end up being colonized by some highly advanced species of aliens, I have a feeling that will probably be better than being wiped out by each other like we're on the path to now.

 

[Ophiolite]

We've looked quite seriously (remember SETI?), and heard nothing. The most likely explanation for that is that there's nothing to hear.

That could scarcely be called a serious attempt. When it was shut down it was costing a little over $2,000,000 a year. In what world is $2,000,000 a year to investigate something of such potential significance considered serious? We pay CEOs of banks more than that to mess up our economy and plunge countries into recession!

You say the silence resulting from this lightweight attempt was most likely because there is no one there. On what basis do you argue that is more likely than any of these individual possibilities?
1. Search directed at the wrong stars.
2. Search not conducted long enough.
3. Aliens are not transmitting in our direction.
4. No alien civilisation in the limited volume of space searched.
5. Aliens are paranoid and remain silent.

 

[SelfSim]

... but suggesting opinions alone lie at the heart of the speculations is seriously misleading.

(In your opinion, that is).

 

[SelfSim]

.. In what world is $2,000,000 a year to investigate something of such potential significance considered serious?

Where does the 'potential significance' part come from?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

If they exist would it be something to say of Gods true powers?

They do exist, south of the border. They come north when they can, with or without a green card.

Outerspace things, no, sorry. Outerspace aliens are widespread lies/ myths/ superstitions, propagated mostly for the joy of deceiving others, for money, and for power.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I often wonder. Does this mean if Aliens are real do we all meet in heaven or are there other heavens.

Getting people to think about such nonsense is one way of distraction/ deception from the truth, aimed at preventing people from finding Jesus, and to keep them out of God's Kingdom. i.e. don't worry at all, they are not real.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

We've looked quite seriously (remember SETI?), and heard nothing. The most likely explanation for that is that there's nothing to hear.

I like the way you put that.

What do we (Ekklesia) hear ? Jesus says HIS SHEEP HEAR HIS VOICE,
and we follow Him,

and we WILL NOT LISTEN TO ANOTHER, nor follow them.

 

[Ophiolite]

(In your opinion, that is).

So, you are asserting that some speculations are not based upon "detailed observations, sound, current theory and well structured argument". Since anyone who has taken an interest in the subject should know these are present in more than one analysis. Thus, stating that such speculations are based only on opinions is patently false and thus my post is not an opinion, but a concise statement of fact.

Where does the 'potential significance' part come from?

Interesting. Which part is causing you a problem? Potential, or significance? If you doubt the significance of the confirmation of alien life, then I suggest the search may already be at an end, for we shall have found an alien living in our midst.