AiG says "Global Flood happened at about 2304 BC"

[Kookaburra]

Originally posted by seesaw
wow what is wrong, i didn't say anything bad to you.

Sorry! I just learned one of my friends is in hospital. I had to take it out on someone, and I realize that was wrong now. If you have any respect for praying, would you? Please? She's in the ICU. It's either a broken back or a broken neck, but she can feel somewhat in her legs, so that's good. She hasn't severed the spinal cord.

 

[Duane Morse]

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Originally posted by Duane Morse
3760 was when Adam was split into Adam and Eve.
It was at that point that Adam starts to age.
But Adam was created first on the third day just before the plants sprouted.

Then by excreationist:
I thought male and female humans were made on day six... who were they? Remember that Genesis 3:20 says that Eve was the mother of all human beings. I thought Adam named the birds and animals *before* Eve was created! The birds were meant to have been created on day 5 and the animals on day 6...

Adam was first created on the third day as a single being, but both male and female.
So Adam saw the creation of the sun, moon, and stars on day four; and the sea creatures and birds on day five; It was in the sixth day that Adam named the animals, before Adam was split into Adam and Eve in the sixth day.
Eve is the mother of all, and Adam and Eve had no children prior to the sixth day when they occupied separate male and female bodies.
And we are still in that same day six now.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by ardipithecus
Funny how the Sixth Dynasty of Egypt did not notice that it was underwater. 

 

LOL

 

[Smilin]

Duane,,,
Again you post your dates according to the Hebrew Calender.

Are you familiar when the Hebrew Calendar originated, or should we re-hash this all over again?

 

[Duane Morse]

The victor writes the history. Noah was the victor here, so the recorded history may not make mention of it much. The culture went on, but those were generally troubled times in Egyptian history.

I accept the dating of the Hebrew calander as I have no real reason not to.
And the Bible makes mention of those that wish to change the times in the latter days, so I will stick with the established instead of changing things around for whatever reason. And things like Babel and Seth line up using the calander dates, while they do not if the times have been altered.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by Duane Morse
I accept the dating of the Hebrew calander as I have no real reason not to.

 

You didn't answer my questions yet Duane...and your waffling.

1. WHO established the Hebrew Calendar

2. WHEN was it established.

Or are you simply stating that you accept something you know nothing about?

 

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by Duane Morse
The victor writes the history. Noah was the victor here, so the recorded history may not make mention of it much. The culture went on, but those were generally troubled times in Egyptian history. 

Was that the period in time (on your calendar) all the Egyptians were standing around  scratching there heads wondering why God created the Great Pyramid thingy?  

 

[Duane Morse]

The current definition of the Hebrew calendar is generally said to
have been set down by the Sanhedrin president Hillel II in
approximately AD 359. The original details of his calendar are,
however, uncertain.

The Hebrew calendar is used for religious purposes by Jews all over
the world, and it is the official calendar of Israel.

And I use this calander when matching Biblical dates to ours.

Man began to multiply on the earth when Adam and Eve were created, so just after 3760 BC, or the year 0 on the Hebrew calander. As the Great Pyramid was already there, they probably wondered about it from the beginning of that culture.

 

[Smilin]

So,
You base your conclusions upon a calendar with an unknown origin.
Since it was introduced, (according to you) in AD 359, present your evidence for the establishment of the creation date.....

Also, explain how you converted the years from the Hebrew Calendar to our present day Gregorian Calendar.

So far, your whole argument is flawed. I'm waiting for you to convince me on the creation date. I say this truthfully...i'd REALLY LOVE to know.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by Duane Morse
Man began to multiply on the earth when Adam and Eve were created, so just after 3760 BC, or the year 0 on the Hebrew calander. As the Great Pyramid was already there, they probably wondered about it from the beginning of that culture.

 

So...they were standing there in awe...   their heads, probably saying...WHAT'S THAT THANG FOR???  

 

[Duane Morse]

The creation date of the Hebrew calander is the creation of Adam and Eve from Adam. So it is not the creation date of the Creation, but of Adam and Eve. And according to what I read, that calander was introduced in 359 A.D., and the Hebrews say it begins with the day of creation.

The conversion is a straight year to year comparison. You may not agree with that, but that is how I do it. And everything that I plug in seems to fit perfectly. So I will consider it accurate until something shows up to change my mind.
And if I go here http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/calendar/ to convert the dates they still match up.
So in the overall picture I am doing it in the correct manner, as far as I can tell.
Year 0 on the Hebrew is 3760 B.C., and year 7000 H is 3240 A.D..
Just as it should be.

As for convincing you about the creation date, are you referring to the entire Creation or the creation of Adam and Eve? The two are separated by quite a bit of time, and I have no idea about the beginning date of the entire Creation. As far as I can tell it could be anywhere from several 24-hour days to several billion years before Adam was split.
I would guess several hundreds to several billions.

And yes, they probably were wondering what the Great Pyramid was actually there for, and how it got there.

 

[ocean]

How could Adam survive without food, light, and water? That's impossible.

Man is just a blip on the universe's time scale. The sun, moon, and stars were there billions of years before man. Why do you take Genesis literally?


And the egyptians weren't wondering what the pyramid was for, they built it!

"Any attempt to ascribe a specific or even a general age to either man or the Earth from a Biblical standpoint is a grievous error."

 

[Duane Morse]

Adam did not have to survive without food, light, or water. They were all present.
Adam was formed on the third day, then the plants grew, so Adam had food. Water was the first substance, so Adam had water. Jesus IS the Light, so the world had light, but not from the sun until day four, the next day.
I take Genesis literally because that is how it was written; and that is how I understand it, because that is how God taught me.

Adam when first formed did not age. It was not until the sixth day when Adam was split into Adam and Eve that Adam began to age.
What is so hard about understanding that? Yes, the sun formed millions or billions of years ago, apparently. So what is your point, if Adam was already there but in a body that does not age?

 

[ocean]

I guess I have no point. If Adam was real and he did not age, he could have been around for billions of years, and there wouldn't be any evidence to disprove it. It's possible, but not probable.

 

[Duane Morse]

If it is possible, then why not probable?
And you know, Life itself is possible, though not probable.
What are the odds of Life forming on it own strictly through evolution?
Possible, but unlikely.

The most possible and probable in my estimate is that God created everything, but much of it evolves through time. So then when we look back on things from our perspective today we see evidence for both, but proof for neither.

 

[sulphur]

To ardipithicus{I hope I got it right] The Chinese,south african and australian aborigines must have a hard time also.I wonder how the tasmanian tigers found the ark

 

[Duane Morse]

At the time of the flood the earth was still a single continent.
The land masses did not separate until the pole-shift at the time of Babel.

 

[Stormy]

Sorry! I just learned one of my friends is in hospital. I had to take it out on someone, and I realize that was wrong now. If you have any respect for praying, would you? Please? She's in the ICU. It's either a broken back or a broken neck, but she can feel somewhat in her legs, so that's good. She hasn't severed the spinal cord.

Kookaburra : Sorry I am praying for your friend.

At the time of the flood the earth was still a single continent.
The land masses did not separate until the pole-shift at the time of Babel.

Duane: Do you have support for this statement? I find it interesting to use against those that belief the flood was not world-wide.

 

[Duane Morse]

What kind of support are you looking for?

 

[ocean]

The Flood was not world-wide. It was a local Flood in the region of the black sea. And the earth was once a single continent, but that was millions of years ago. 2500 years ago the world looked much as it does today(without all the pollution, skyscrapers, etc.) There was never any pole shift, just a magnetic pole change.