AI, Is Concern Warranted?

[Radrook]

Why ask for evidence if you automatically dis-allow it ?

In order to try to convince us that it isn't really evidence.

 

[Radrook]

< shrugs >

just read the forum ....

I don't understand your statement.

 

[RDKirk]

Well, if one permits Satan himself to be in control of society then what can be expected? The question is what percentage of all this evil is Satan and what percentage is attributable to human wretchedness. In other words, how less evil would society be without Satan's encouragement? In short, how culpable is mankind for all this mess since Satan is allowed interference in its affairs?

Good question for a different topic.

 

[Radrook]

Good question for a different topic.

Threads are curious in that way. They often drift a little.

 

[Radrook]

Some diehards won't admit that concern is warranted until they awaken with their android's metallic fingers firmly wrapped around their scrawny necks.

 

[Radrook]

I think that one of the threats that is being overlooked is the threat to mankind's feeling of being unique. Of possessing something within himself that is imagined to be a soul which enables consciousness in a manner in which no other creature on this Earth and perhaps in the entire universe shares.

If indeed AI is developed to the point where our intellectual abilities are indistinguishable or uneven in its favor-then such a secure view will be challenged and might very well initiate a general feeling of spiritual uneasiness which will be very difficult to handle from an intellectual-emotional and spiritual perspective.

 

[Blackmarch]

Good point. However, isn't it logical as Christians to conclude that such machines might come under Satanic influence?

Only in the sense that a devil can inspire a person (say the AIs programmer) to be malicious... Actual posession of a machine is much more difficult, actual posession of anything is highly difficult; else it would be far more common. So im not worried about that too much. Altho if we ever do make an ai that is on the level of human consciousness, then i suppose that there would be similar concerns to that of teaching a child.

 

[Radrook]

Only in the sense that a devil can inspire a person (say the AIs programmer) to be malicious... Actual posession of a machine is much more difficult, actual posession of anything is highly difficult; else it would be far more common. So im not worried about that too much. Altho if we ever do make an ai that is on the level of human consciousness, then i suppose that there would be similar concerns to that of teaching a child.

But aren't demons notorious for hurling objects and moving things around? So why would they have any trouble doing the same with a machine albeit in a less conspicuous way?

 

[Blackmarch]

But aren't demons notorious for hurling objects and moving things around? So why would they have any trouble doing the same with a machine albeit in a less conspicuous way?

it's much more rare to even get a case of haunted house where things are moving than it is to get an account of person posession (which is rare in the first place, and an individual needs to be able to rule out mental illness or disease.). and most accounts of moving objects tend to be small items that don't travel very far, or something happening inside a short amount of time.
to posess a machine long enough and willfully enough to be able to achieve something would be an action that would is on par or beyond what demons were seen doing in the bible. doing that with a single machine would achieve very little against the human race as a whole... (conversely if there was someone extremely important, where this would be the best way to deal with that individual, then that would be somewhat more likely).

to me it appears that for spirits to cause change on the physical side of the world that either there is something blocking them from doing so, or it is prohibitively energy intensive to do. if the latter then it would make more sense to cause something like the brakes go out on someone right at an opportune moment then expending all that effort to attempt to posess an AI or robot. (however it does raise a question of how where does intelligence, brain, and spirit intersect in affecting each other)

thirdly i'd say that for the grand majority of humanity (including christianity and other religions) that they are in such a state that the demons don't care enough to try to put that kind of effort into directly controlling the physical world.

 

[Radrook]

it's much more rare to even get a case of haunted house where things are moving than it is to get an account of person posession (which is rare in the first place, and an individual needs to be able to rule out mental illness or disease.). and most accounts of moving objects tend to be small items that don't travel very far, or something happening inside a short amount of time.
to posess a machine long enough and willfully enough to be able to achieve something would be an action that would is on par or beyond what demons were seen doing in the bible. doing that with a single machine would achieve very little against the human race as a whole... (conversely if there was someone extremely important, where this would be the best way to deal with that individual, then that would be somewhat more likely).

to me it appears that for spirits to cause change on the physical side of the world that either there is something blocking them from doing so, or it is prohibitively energy intensive to do. if the latter then it would make more sense to cause something like the brakes go out on someone right at an opportune moment then expending all that effort to attempt to posess an AI or robot. (however it does raise a question of how where does intelligence, brain, and spirit intersect in affecting each other)

thirdly i'd say that for the grand majority of humanity (including christianity and other religions) that they are in such a state that the demons don't care enough to try to put that kind of effort into directly controlling the physical world.

That is a healthy balanced way to look at it and I'm sure that owning an android would not be an issue for people who hold that same view.

For others, who have been taught to think that Satan has more power in what he can do in this world, it might prove far more problematic and might take a considerably longer period of time for them to accustom themselves into believing that such a machine is totally impervious to that kind of supernatural tampering.

I think that unfortunately, due to my personal experiences and religious view. I am among those people who would be forced to cautiously let that particular technological innovation pass me by.

 

[Blackmarch]

That is a healthy balanced way to look at it and I'm sure that owning an android would not be an issue for people who hold that same view.

For others, who have been taught to think that Satan has more power in what he can do in this world, it might prove far more problematic and might take a considerably longer period of time for them to accustom themselves into believing that such a machine is totally impervious to that kind of supernatural tampering.

I think that unfortunately, due to my personal experiences and religious view. I am among those people who would be forced to cautiously let that particular technological innovation pass me by.

Fortunately i have not been called on to cast out devils... But i agree were i to have been in that situation, i would probably be much more cautious than i am now. The closest ive been is a near associate who had to deal with a person posession.
I dont believe anything is impervious to tampering, just that the probabilities for what type and how it is done varies.... I think anyone who does believe in something being truly impervious is developing a case of titannicism.

 

[Radrook]

Fortunately i have not been called on to cast out devils... But i agree were i to have been in that situation, i would probably be much more cautious than i am now. The closest ive been is a near associate who had to deal with a person posession.
I dont believe anything is impervious to tampering, just that the probabilities for what type and how it is done varies.... I think anyone who does believe in something being truly impervious is developing a case of titannicism.

The person can become disposed to hypersensitivity in that area if the parents are spiritistically inclined or if the religion which was adopted at an early stage of life was semi paranoid in reference to evil spirits. Unfortunately in my case I had both influences which has left me a bit inclined to take evasive action at the slightest sign of what to others might appear harmless but which to me might seem as an imminent attack from the spirit realm. An android in close proximity will most likely wind up getting its skull dome shattered for offering me a cup of java in what I might deem as an unusually sinister voice.

 

[Radrook]

Example of why concern is warranted:

 

[jerrygab2]

Except a person is running that robot. So a person hit the guy.

The "suit" is an 8 foot tall machine that is worn by an actor and controlled partially through body movement and partially through remote control.

Titan the Robot - Wikipedia

 

[Radrook]

Except a person is running that robot. So a person hit the guy.

Titan the Robot - Wikipedia

Well, here in the steaming, anaconda-infested Amazon Jungle we tend to be fooled that way. Lip plates cutting off vital blood circulation to walnut-sized brains doesn't make for mental acuity-you know?

 

[Radrook]

I think it will happen eventually, as long as civilization and technology continues to advance. Whether it ends up being a good thing or a bad thing only time will tell.

I don't see how technological advancement guarantees that the totally impossible becomes possible.

 

[Strathos]

I don't see how technological advancement guarantees that the totally impossible becomes possible.

I'd be hesitant about deeming things impossible if I were you. I find it at least more plausible than 'warp drive' as your other thread postulates.

 

[Radrook]

I'd be hesitant about deeming things impossible if I were you. I find it at least more plausible than 'warp drive' as your other thread postulates.

My other threads isn't postulating anything. It merely asks a question. I am not saying that AI is impossible either. I am merely questioning your premise.

 

[Strathos]

My other threads isn't postulating anything. It merely asks a question. I am not saying that AI is impossible either. I am merely questioning your premise.

Well I'll tell you what, if they invent warp drive before AGI I owe you 20 bucks, and if it's the other way around you owe me 20. Assuming both happen in our lifetimes.

 

[Quad]

In order to successfully build and manufacture an Ai system without concern of an uprising, it cannot be a machine. Computers, and machinery can be hacked, hi jacked, and manipulated.

You cannot hack the human mind unless it is willing. Before we can build a self aware robot, we must first construct an Ai program that mimicks the human brain and psychological being to 100%.