AI, Is Concern Warranted?

[Radrook]

Is it ?
Does it matter if some memberships in some forums are actually posting and replying with or via AI ?
A sort of 'training gound' for AI,
as
corporations and government have used marketing , credit card info, location (by cell phones/etc) ,
for
for over a decade ?

A training ground for what purpose? It all depends on the potential of that training being misused. There is
nothing dangerous to the existence of mankind as a species involved with AI as long as limits are placed on it as the Laws suggested by Isaac Asimov did.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

In Galatians, and all through Scripture,
it is written
> society is pernicious.

That is one great death trap

Jesus saves His Brethren from, out of, and asks the Father to protect us from.

 

[Radrook]

In Galatians, and all through Scripture,
it is written
> society is pernicious.

That is one great death trap

Jesus saves His Brethren from, out of, and asks the Father to protect us from.

I did not claim the contrary.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

A training ground for what purpose? It all depends on the potential of that training being misused.

There is zero chance of or for AI not being used for pernicious purposes world wide as it has been done already for years, by plan, on purpose, in the "developed" countries and by all the corporations.

 

[Radrook]

There is zero chance of or for AI not being used for pernicious purposes world wide as it has been done already for years, by plan, on purpose, in the "developed" countries and by all the corporations.

Can you please provide an example?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Most recent, for example. Just cursory "tip of the iceberg" info... (In Depth is ..... well, in depth.) .... for the root of the evil, see the Book of Galatians, key word "pernicious" ....

google sells AI information collected at DuckDuckGo
4 ways Google is destroying privacy and collecting your data ...

"Google argues that it has the right to collect your most sensitive data, ... which sells WiFi-controlled home heating appliances.
[Search domain www.salon.com] salon.com/2014/02/05/4_ways_google_is_destroying_pr...

As we sweat government surveillance, companies like Google ...

... Big Tech will continue to profit off our personal information - with our benighted permission. ... Google confirmed this week what many people had assumed: ...
[Search domain www.theguardian.com] https://theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/18/corporations-go...

The Evil Side of Google? Exploring Google's User Data ...
Posts submitted by the Moz ... Privacy Policies Disclosing What User Data is Collected. Webmaster Tools; Google ... total information about google ...
[Search domain moz.com] https://moz.com/blog/the-evil-side-of-google-exploring-go...

Google Ads | How Google uses your data for ads
Google does not sell your personal information. ... We try to show you useful ads by using data collected from your devices, including your searches and location, ...

 

[Radrook]

Most recent, for example. Just cursory "tip of the iceberg" info... (In Depth is ..... well, in depth.) .... for the root of the evil, see the Book of Galatians, key word "pernicious" ....

google sells AI information collected at DuckDuckGo
4 ways Google is destroying privacy and collecting your data ...

"Google argues that it has the right to collect your most sensitive data, ... which sells WiFi-controlled home heating appliances.
[Search domain www.salon.com] salon.com/2014/02/05/4_ways_google_is_destroying_pr...

As we sweat government surveillance, companies like Google ...

... Big Tech will continue to profit off our personal information - with our benighted permission. ... Google confirmed this week what many people had assumed: ...
[Search domain www.theguardian.com] https://theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/18/corporations-go...

The Evil Side of Google? Exploring Google's User Data ...
Posts submitted by the Moz ... Privacy Policies Disclosing What User Data is Collected. Webmaster Tools; Google ... total information about google ...
[Search domain moz.com] https://moz.com/blog/the-evil-side-of-google-exploring-go...

Google Ads | How Google uses your data for ads
Google does not sell your personal information. ... We try to show you useful ads by using data collected from your devices, including your searches and location, ...

Is AI needed for that? Those things sound as if they can be done via regular computers.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Is AI needed for that? Those things sound as if they can be done via regular computers.

How about that !? And even without computers, the Galatians were being tempted to leave Jesus!
Then a few days later, (well, 1900 years or so),
COMPUTERS! were used for the same thing,
then
AI! was used for the same thing - WOW!
just as written in Scripture - the world and the devil and society is all conspiring against those called and chosen by God to destroy them,
until Jesus returns it will continue more and more dangerously.
The world system has never,
not ever,
been a Christian nor a God serving system. It and
Society has never been "saved". Until Jesus returns It is in control of satan. As God says throughout Scripture.

 

[Radrook]

How about that !? And even without computers, the Galatians were being tempted to leave Jesus!
Then a few days later, (well, 1900 years or so),
COMPUTERS! were used for the same thing,
then
AI! was used for the same thing - WOW!
just as written in Scripture - the world and the devil and society is all conspiring against those called and chosen by God to destroy them,
until Jesus returns it will continue more and more dangerously.
The world system has never,
not ever,
been a Christian nor a God serving system. It and
Society has never been "saved". Until Jesus returns It is in control of satan. As God says throughout Scripture.

Well, if one permits Satan himself to be in control of society then what can be expected? The question is what percentage of all this evil is Satan and what percentage is attributable to human wretchedness. In other words, how less evil would society be without Satan's encouragement? In short, how culpable is mankind for all this mess since Satan is allowed interference in its affairs?

How is that different from mankind creating an AI and then allowing an evil programmer from another planet to start messing with it and then criticizing the AI for its faults?

Exactly how is culpability determined if someone is being allowed to mess with your brains?

For example, to what degree was Mengele guilty if he was maybe 85 percent demon possessed? 15 percent guilty?

 

[bhsmte]

Well, if one permits Satan himself to be in control of society then what can be expected? The question is what percentage of all this evil is Satan and what percentage is attributable to human wretchedness. In other words, how less evil would society be without Satan's encouragement? In short, how culpable is mankind for all this mess since Satan is allowed interference in its affairs?

How is that different from mankind creating an AI and then allowing an evil programmer from another planet to start messing with it and then criticizing the AI for its faults?

Exactly how is culpability determined if someone is being allowed to mess with your brains?

For example, to what degree was Mengele guilty if he was maybe 85 percent demon possessed? 15 percent guilty?

What Satan?

 

[Radrook]

What Satan?

I responded to a religious viewpoint with a religious viewpoint.
It wasn't intended as a challenge to the unreligious.

 

[bhsmte]

I responded to a religious viewpoint with a religious viewpoint.
It wasn't intended as a challenge to the unreligious.

Cool. My question still stands; what Satan?

 

[Radrook]

Cool. My question still stands; what Satan?

The Satan which persons who believe in the biblical account believe exists but which atheists don't because they, such as you, are atheists. Please note that the thread is about AI and the threat that it might pose or poses.

 

[bhsmte]

The Satan which persons who believe in the biblical account believe exists but which atheists don't because they, such as you, are atheists. Please note that the thread is about AI and the threat that it might pose or poses.

Ok. When you can demonstrate this Satan exists with any evidence, let us know.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

with any evidence

< shrugs >

just read the forum ....

 

[bhsmte]

< shrugs >

just read the forum ....

I have, where is the evidence? Point me to a post number and I will be happy to look.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I have, where is the evidence? Point me to a post number and I will be happy to look.

Why ask for evidence if you automatically dis-allow it ?

 

[bhsmte]

Why ask for evidence if you automatically dis-allow it ?

Does this mean you can't point me to the evidence in this thread?

 

[lesliedellow]

A training ground for what purpose? It all depends on the potential of that training being misused. There is
nothing dangerous to the existence of mankind as a species involved with AI as long as limits are placed on it as the Laws suggested by Isaac Asimov did.

Just like there is nothing intrinsically dangerous in nuclear fusion.

I know that atheists are big on rationality, but there is nothing rational about human beings, and you can multiply ever so rational laws without number, without them successfully being able to combat human stupidity.

 

[Radrook]

Just like there is nothing intrinsically dangerous in nuclear fusion.

I know that atheists are big on rationality, but there is nothing rational about human beings, and you can multiply ever so rational laws, so that they are without number, without them successfully being able to combat human stupidity.

Remove free will and we get the same results with humans as we will get with AI.