AI, Is Concern Warranted?

[Radrook]

"Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" is the Phillip K. Dick novel which is the basis of the movie "Bladerunner."

In Dick's novel, the replicants not only consider themselves everything that makes a human a human, but many of them also believe in the mainstream religion. The question posed by Dick is "if there is no discernible difference between a man and a replicant, then what difference does it make?" In his story, the replicants even believe in God, while the man Deckard is most certainly human, but realizes there is no longer any meaningful distinction between him and the replicants he hunts down. He has lost not only empathy but also faith, while the replicants possess both.

Thanks for the very interesting film insight. Yes, I am familiar with the "bladerunner" film and even wrote a poem based on it years ago at the Poetry Forum. However, I wasn't aware that the film is based on a Novel by that name. What most struck me in that film was how the replicant, played by Rudger Hauser, turned against its creator and murdered him because of frustration over his own extremely limited lifespan. Also how human the woman who was a replicant app[eared to be and how Dekhert, played by Harrison Ford, fell in love with her despite knowing that she was a relplicant. I still don't understand why they were being hunted down though. Why place a time limit on such valuable androids? The film doesn't go into explanations although I'm sure that the novel does.

BTW
The film's darkness lends it a very appropriate mood to the theme just as the darkness in the film Dark City did to its somber theme.

 

[Ophiolite]

Who are you to tell me what I am thinking?

You told us what you were thinking. Strathos just commented on it.

 

[Radrook]

You told us what you were thinking. Strathos just commented on it.

My apologies if I came across as rude.

 

[Ophiolite]

My apologies if I came across as rude.

It didn't seem rude. It just seemed to contradict what had actually occurred.

 

[Radrook]

It didn't seem rude. It just seemed to contradict what had actually occurred.

So what's your opinion on AI?

 

[Ophiolite]

So what's your opinion on AI?

We currently lack the following:
1. An understanding of what consciousness in organisms is.
2. A sufficiently developed move towards an effective AI.

Consequently any opinion on what AI may "be", or how soon it may be achieved, or what impact it will have on humanity, or any of the other issues that may arise around it, all of those opinions are going to be lightweight and ephemeral.

Therefore I have not yet wasted my time forming any opinions on the matter, apart from those expressed in this post.

 

[Radrook]

That was the "One True God" theology of the Cylons in "Battlestar Galactica." Except that they thought it was their job to get humans out of the way.

As long as we place restrictions on androids as outlined by Asimov I don't see how they can give us any kind of trouble. In the film Alien we have that Android doing just the opposite of what Asimov's restrictions would avoid.

 

[Radrook]

We currently lack the following:
1. An understanding of what consciousness in organisms is.
2. A sufficiently developed move towards an effective AI.

Consequently any opinion on what AI may "be", or how soon it may be achieved, or what impact it will have on humanity, or any of the other issues that may arise around it, all of those opinions are going to be lightweight and ephemeral.

Therefore I have not yet wasted my time forming any opinions on the matter, apart from those expressed in this post.

I guess the early hopes of having robots reasoning as we do were overly optimistic because we underestimated what is involved. To us consciousness comes so easy that it's second nature with no struggle whatsoever. So how were we supposed to know that we would be unable to easily get a handle on it? After all, it wasn't something that we were unable to do ourselves like flying.

 

[Radrook]

That was the "One True God" theology of the Cylons in "Battlestar Galactica." Except that they thought it was their job to get humans out of the way.

Strange! I watched that whole Battle Star Galactic series and failed to detect any "One-True-God" theology sub theme! Exactly what did that entail? All I saw was Cylons trying to exterminate mankind or enslave it.

 

[RDKirk]

Strange! I watched that whole Battle Star Galactic series and failed to detect any "One-True-God" theology sub theme! Exactly what did that entail? All I saw was Cylons trying to exterminate mankind or enslave it.

How did you miss that? It was the whole motivation of the Cylons' attack on humans.

 

[Radrook]

How did you miss that? It was the whole motivation of the Cylons' attack on humans.

Maybe I failed to watch some optional preliminaries added later?

 

[RDKirk]

Maybe I failed to watch some optional preliminaries added later?

It was sprinkled throughout the series.

 

[Radrook]

It was sprinkled throughout the series.

Weren't the Ceylons supposed to have viewed mankind as their creator?

 

[RDKirk]

Weren't the Ceylons supposed to have viewed mankind as their creator?

Yes, but their logic was that Cylons are perfect, but humans are clearly so flawed that they couldn't be the ultimate creators. Hhumans must have been merely an intermediary tool by a true god for the creation of the Cylons.

There is considerable web information about the Battlestar Galactica Cylon god, but here is an interview with the producer:

The Souls of Cylons

 

[Radrook]

Yes, but their logic was that Cylons are perfect, but humans are clearly so flawed that they couldn't be the ultimate creators. Hhumans must have been merely an intermediary tool by a true god for the creation of the Cylons.

There is considerable web information about the Battlestar Galactica Cylon god, but here is an interview with the producer:

AI, Is Concern Warranted?

How the heck did I miss that I will never know!


In the film Prometheus we have the opposite reaction. The android admits that his creators are flawed but never denies the fact that they are his creators. This is similar to how we find out gradually that our parents are flawed when we might have once considered them almost godlike. I did. I thought that my parents had always existed and were flawless. Their being bigger than me and having existed before me seemed to reinforce that feeling. Finally comes the realization that they are just human and the forced acceptance that they are our parents for better or for worse.

BTW
I see no link to the interview with the producer.

 

[morse86]

Is Concern for AI Waranted?

It is all "programmed". It is not human, never can be, never will be. Mechanical always break down. Look at your car. Electronics break down too. Power surges etc.

God created us special. We are created in the image of him, AI/aliens/animals/angels are not. Only we were created in his image. Only we have a soul.

 

[RDKirk]

How the heck did I miss that I will never know!


In the film Prometheus we have the opposite reaction. The android admits that his creators are flawed but never denies the fact that they are his creators. This is similar to how we find out gradually that our parents are flawed when we might have once considered them almost godlike. I did. I thought that my parents had always existed and were flawless. Their being bigger than me and having existed before me seemed to reinforce that feeling. Finally comes the realization that they are just human and the forced acceptance that they are our parents for better or for worse.

BTW
I see no link to the interview with the producer.

I replaced the link in that post, so you can check again.

 

[Radrook]

I replaced the link in that post, so you can check again.

Read the article. Thanks for the info.

 

[Radrook]

It is all "programmed". It is not human, never can be, never will be. Mechanical always break down. Look at your car. Electronics break down too. Power surges etc.

God created us special. We are created in the image of him, AI/aliens/animals/angels are not. Only we were created in his image. Only we have a soul.

Angels are called sons of God.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Is Concern for AI Waranted?

Is it ?
Does it matter if some memberships in some forums are actually posting and replying with or via AI ?
A sort of 'training gound' for AI,
as
corporations and government have used marketing , credit card info, location (by cell phones/etc) ,
for
for over a decade ?