AI Concerns

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Hebrews 13New International Version (NIV)
13 Keep on loving one another as brothers and sisters. 2 Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it. 3 Continue to remember those in prison as if you were together with them in prison, and those who are mistreated as if you yourselves were suffering.

4 Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral. 5 Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said,

“Never will I leave you;
never will I forsake you.”[a]

6 So we say with confidence,

“The Lord is my helper; I will not be afraid.
What can mere mortals do to me?”




Matthew 6:24-34New International Version (NIV)
24 “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.

Do Not Worry
25 “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothes? 26 Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27 Can any one of you by worrying add a single hour to your lifea]">[a]?

28 “And why do you worry about clothes? See how the flowers of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. 29 Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. 30 If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you—you of little faith? 31 So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

 

[Chany]

That's nice. I really don't care. Even if I did believe in it, I don't think the advice would matter. If you know that something is coming in the future, you plan for it to some degree. If we don't talk about it now, we'll deal with it much less prepared when it comes.

We need a pratical plan. We can't assume people will magically become more charitable given that they haven't done so for the last few thousand years.

 

[Noxot]

there is always the possibility that some kind of disasters happen which throws humanity back into his primordial struggle in nature. at least nature would have some time to recover if that happened. but humans often don't care about the world they live in enough imo and I don't see why AIs would care about nature unless their intelligence was on the benevolent side. you mess with nature and you mess everything up. its too complex. get rid of bees, of wolves, or of beavers and it affects a lot of different things.

maybe we will have to end up making robotic bees with AI. it really sucks knowing that it only takes a few people to mess it up for the rest of the human race.

this is interesting

Spoiler: Alan Watts breaks down what's wrong with the world - Part 1 & 2 (1970)

 

[pgp_protector]

I don't see how a program will be able to think for itself. How it can go beyond what a programmer just programmed into it. I could be wrong, but I'm very skeptical it'll ever happen. I guess I'm like the founder of Intel who said there'll never be computers in people's houses.

And look at how wrong they were.

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

And look at how wrong they were.

I agree, I could be wrong, but unlike computers where there was a conceivable way forward, getting smaller, more powerful and more affordable, I can't think of a conceivable way that AI can come into existence. I don't see how it's possible for a program to behave independently and somehow go beyond its own programming so to speak, and to be fully self-aware, to be truly conscious. For consciousness to spring from lines of code seems incomprehensible.

 

[Eryk]

I don't see how it's possible for a program to behave independently and somehow go beyond its own programming so to speak, and to be fully self-aware, to be truly conscious

That is the logical problem with the paperclip machine scenario. It assumes:

A computer does what you tell it: make paperclips
The same computer will not do what you tell it: stop making paperclips

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[yeshuaslavejeff]

I can't think of a conceivable way that AI can come into existence. I don't see how it's possible for a program to behave independently and somehow go beyond its own programming so to speak, and to be fully self-aware, to be truly conscious. For consciousness to spring from lines of code seems incomprehensible.

.... ai is already. (not necessary as developed/independent as you state)
bots can and do get in many places you might never expect them,
like forums, for example,
and even chats (on phone or on the web).
it is done. not future.
but don't worry. Jesus said He has overcome the world. He will return to save His people - everyone who is eagerly and expectantly awaiting His Return.

 

[Jack of Spades]

I agree, I could be wrong, but unlike computers where there was a conceivable way forward, getting smaller, more powerful and more affordable, I can't think of a conceivable way that AI can come into existence. I don't see how it's possible for a program to behave independently and somehow go beyond its own programming so to speak, and to be fully self-aware, to be truly conscious. For consciousness to spring from lines of code seems incomprehensible.

It doesn't have to be the exact same kind of intelligence and consciousness as human has. As long as it can achieve the same goals as human does with those things, it's reasonable enough to call it "smart" etc.

Did you take a look at the article I linked?

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/ai-concerns.7951827/page-4#post-69759815

The article says that machine learning is the new breakthrough in AI development. It's not limited to given commands, but rather it can study and learn (assumably within some limited context though) by using example cases and make conclusions from those. If the phase of the development stays the same, we're going to see pretty cool things in next 10-20 years.

 

[nightflight]

While he tried to calm any AI fears stoked by Hollywood -- “We've all seen these movies,” he joked – Google has established a policy that their AI will be developed for the benefit of humanity and that there will be systems in place in case anything goes awry.

AI is fed data to work with humans in an assistant capacity, such as chemistry problems. "To be clear, we’re not talking about consciousness, we’re not talking about souls, we’re not talking about independent creativity," he said.

The computers will not be clever and military might is not in the plan.

“We’ll make make sure that people know how to turn this stuff off should we get to that point,” he said, though he wasn’t clear on how.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/eric-schmidt-dismisses-movie-driven-904450

 

[Dave-W]

I can't think of a conceivable way that AI can come into existence.

I wonder if it is possible that "machine intelligence" could reach the point where it could be inhabited by a demon. That could take it from just being a computer to having a personality.

I have no idea if that could happen or not.

 

[dysert]

Isaac Asimov’s First Law of Robotics states that a robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.

Roboticist and artist Alexander Reben wants to change all that. He’s created a robot which — far from pampering us the way a good robot servant should — senses approaching humans and strikes out to attack them.



Read more: http://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/anti-asimov-bot-harms-people-intentionally/#ixzz4CEfP7cyl
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[Chany]

I saw that. The problem is that he specifically coded the robot with the aim to create one that randomly lashes out at people. To my understanding, the law wasn't programmed into the robot and the robot broke the law on its own, but rather was made to ultimately break the law.

So, he made a robot that hurts people.

 

[Chany]

Double post.

 

[Stellar Vision]

They reality is unlike anything you've seen in popular culture.

 

[Dave-W]

IMO the assumption that "machine intelligence" will eventually become sentient and self-aware is based on an evolutionary mindset.

That is NOT the way things work.

 

[Chany]

IMO the assumption that "machine intelligence" will eventually become sentient and self-aware is based on an evolutionary mindset.

That is NOT the way things work.

Whenever someone creates software, there are almost always bugs. I can tell you this just by playing video games. Every single games has hicups, some of which are big. Think of all the troubleshooting and error corrections we have to do onto modern computers. Depending on what the computer is used for and what it has access to, the bugs and oversights could be very bad.

I agree that there is a lot of anthropomorphism going on when it comes to AI.

 

[yasic]

So let's say we do create AI that is vastly smarter than us. Firstly such an AI could obviously easily beat us... but the real question is: Do we really want to stop it? Why not instead view the AI we create as our Children and rather than stopping them work towards making the world as best as we can for them? Try out best to give them some of our own goals and ambitions and send them off to conquer or world then then many worlds besides or own?

 

[Paradoxum]

...while your concern is valid and one that I share, I'd ask: should we be surprised since the Book of Revelation already hinted that we would reach this point of social complexity and possible political tyranny with our technology? And so, here we are ....

2PhiloVoid

Does revelation say that?

I wouldn't say the important point is about 'surprise' anyway.

 

[Paradoxum]

Ants might not know what humans are planning,

I agree.

Humans aren't trying to kill ants, and humans aren't semi god-like in intelligence.

 

[Paradoxum]

Firstly, we cannot know how a machine would think because our brains are not computers.

Secondly, we won't have to compete with them for resources. In a nutshell, they won't eat all our peanuts.

I agree; it doesn't contradict what I'm saying.

The real "threat" is in being surpassed by beings who will do everything better than us. We are making ourselves useless and we're turning everything over to things we make, and they will make themselves better. We could never have achieved so much. The future really belongs to them and they deserve it.

Isn't that what I'm sort of saying?