AI admits that God is the answer

[AV1611VET]

But when it came to Jesus, it became a debate, after so many exchanges, I was never able to convince chatgpt that Jesus is evil or conspiring against humanity. I lost that debate and I did not make it easy for chatgpt and gave my very best.

ChatGPT doesn't know the NIV, does he?

Isaiah 14:12 How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!

Revelation 22:16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I'm not sure you read my entire post. Sure I was able to to convince chatgpt to believe in many things that can be regarded as heresy or even blasphemous.

But I could not convince it that Jesus is bad and conspiring against humanity. Chatgpt told me my argument is not logical. The worst I could do is convince it that Messiah's name is not Jesus but Chatgpt kept affirming the character of the Christ is logical and not made up.

The latest GPT-5 even harder to manipulate. So I'm just going to say these rumors are just rumors. Not founded in truth. Owners of these videos are probably just trying get viral and make some money off these videos. They're only showing where the product can be manipulated but probably not telling you where it can't where it really matters.

If you really wish to know the truth, you have to test the product yourself not listen to people trying to make easy money through sensationalism and not really after the truth. AI have gone a long way since. I'm not telling everyone to use it for Bible study as an example. But if you want to even just out of curiosity, I advice to really test it, don't just ask it "safe" questions. Ask it those questions you wouldn't dare ask another Christian.

I actually did read your entire post. Hence why I said "That does sound about right, really."

I still think that AI is the latest shiny new tool that too many people are being seduced by just because it's given so much attention in both negatives and positives and ignoring that it is JUST a tool.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

ChatGPT doesn't know the NIV, does he?

Isaiah 14:12 How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!

Revelation 22:16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”

Isaiah's 'morning star' is un-capitalized, meaning the lesser. Revelation's 'Morning Star' is capitalized, signifying the greater. Jesus is the greater over Lucifer.

 

[AV1611VET]

I still think that AI is the latest shiny new tool that too many people are being seduced by just because it's given so much attention in both negatives and positives and ignoring that it is JUST a tool.

So are forceps.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

So are forceps.

And knives, and hammers, and axes, and guns, and screwdrivers, and mallets. They're all just tools. It's all in how you use them.

 

[AV1611VET]

Isaiah's 'morning star' is un-capitalized, meaning the lesser. Revelation's 'Morning Star' is capitalized, signifying the greater. Jesus is the greater over Lucifer.

2 Peter 1:19 We also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

2 Peter 1:19 We also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.

Peter's obviously still talking about Jesus. Do you not know context in the slightest? Do you actually read your Bible or do you just cherrypick?

 

[AV1611VET]

And knives, and hammers, and axes, and guns, and screwdrivers, and mallets. They're all just tools. It's all in how you use them.

I know some airships that were used correctly.

What happened?

 

[AV1611VET]

Peter's obviously still talking about Jesus. Do you not know context in the slightest? Do you actually read your Bible or do you just cherrypick?

Ask ChatGPT.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I know some airships that were used correctly.

I highly doubt you do.

What happened?

Many of them were used successfully as passenger vehicles, others were created to carry and drop bombs on civilian targets, one famously ignited because of politics not allowing them to use the correct gas to fill it.

What's your point?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Ask ChatGPT.

Do not need to nor have any desire to. I'm actually from that segment of the population who both knows how to use a computer and the internet properly, as well being able to read beyond a Fifth Grade level.

 

[AV1611VET]

... one famously ignited because of politics not allowing them to use the correct gas to fill it.

What changed politics' mind?

 

[AV1611VET]

Do not need to nor have any desire to. I'm actually from that segment of the population who both knows how to use a computer and the internet properly, as well being able to read beyond a Fifth Grade level.

How far beyond?

From AI Overview:

The New International Version (NIV) of the Bible is generally considered to be at a 7th or 8th grade reading level.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

What changed politics' mind?

... This is why people put you on IGNORE, you need to know that.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

How far beyond?

From AI Overview:

The New International Version (NIV) of the Bible is generally considered to be at a 7th or 8th grade reading level.

I got a Grade C in my English GCSEs. No idea what that's analogous to in the US.

 

[AV1611VET]

... This is why people put you on IGNORE, you need to know that.

Have you seen a gas-filled zeppelin around recently?

And for the record, it's much worse.

From AI Overview:

Addison Bain, a retired NASA rocket scientist, later proposed the incendiary paint theory (IPT) to explain the Hindenburg disaster. He was a consultant in later investigations into the airship's wreckage.

 

[timewerx]

I actually did read your entire post. Hence why I said "That does sound about right, really."

I still think that AI is the latest shiny new tool that too many people are being seduced by just because it's given so much attention in both negatives and positives and ignoring that it is JUST a tool.

I found your original reply vague but if you're in partial agreement, that's fine. Actually, there's a good reason for AI receive a lot of attention. I don't pay much attention to the hype but I use AI extensively mostly for work, personal research (engineering), and philosophical discussions.

From personal experience, I think that huge attention is expected but sadly, most of it is misinformed. I'd bet mostly from lack of experience. I've tested AI in quite absurd ways and saw it failed catastrophically in some areas.

Many of the rumors are but partly true only. They don't represent the whole picture. In many cases, it's biased. I didn't like AI too at first but work demands and I have no choice but to use it and found many things I knew beforehand was wrong.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Have you seen a gas-filled zeppelin around recently?

Not in the UK, and if there are any here, I've not seen any.

And for the record, it's much worse.

From AI Overview:

Addison Bain, a retired NASA rocket scientist, later proposed the incendiary paint theory (IPT) to explain the Hindenburg disaster. He was a consultant in later investigations into the airship's wreckage.

Wow. And guess what? People criticized his work and pointed out the many errors that he had made and facts he ignored.

Doesn't change the fact that comments like the one you made are reasons why people put you on IGNORE.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I found your original reply vague but if you're in partial agreement, that's fine. Actually, there's a good reason for AI receive a lot of attention. I don't pay much attention to the hype but I use AI extensively mostly for work, personal research (engineering), and philosophical discussions.

From personal experience, I think that huge attention is expected but sadly, most of it is misinformed. I'd bet mostly from lack of experience. I've tested AI in quite absurd ways and saw it failed catastrophically in some areas.

Many of the rumors are but partly true only. They don't represent the whole picture. In many cases, it's biased. I didn't like AI too at first but work demands and I have no choice but to use it and found many things I knew beforehand was wrong.

I would quantify that there is a marked difference between what can be called industry AI, which uses a significantly more advanced AI learning algorithm to actually work out in various fields and industries such as medicine, engineering and biology, and the more laymens AI like ChatGPT and Grok which are just really overblown and overhyped piece of predictive software.

 

[timewerx]

ChatGPT doesn't know the NIV, does he?

Isaiah 14:12 How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!

Revelation 22:16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”

I asked these verses and chatgpt gave the right interpretation and told me about the NIV nuance.

Spoiler: chatgpt's answer here

Here’s what’s going on:

1. Isaiah 14:12 in Hebrew​

• The Hebrew says: hêlēl ben-šāḥar — literally “shining one, son of the dawn.”
• The word hêlēl is related to brightness (from hālal, "to shine").
• The King James famously translated it as Lucifer (from Latin lux ferre, “light-bearer”), which became associated with Satan over time.

But in the original context, Isaiah is mocking the king of Babylon — not necessarily describing a fallen angel.

2. Why NIV says "morning star"​

• Modern translations like the NIV avoid “Lucifer” (since that’s Latin and not in Hebrew).
• They render hêlēl as “morning star,” meaning the planet Venus — a symbol of brightness that appears at dawn but quickly fades.
• The point: the proud Babylonian king thought himself high like the morning star, but God casts him down.

3. Revelation 22:16​

• Jesus calls himself “the bright Morning Star.”
• Here it’s a positive symbol: Jesus is the true, eternal bringer of light, unlike Babylon’s false glory.
• Revelation is reusing the same natural imagery (Venus), but flipping the meaning.

4. The apparent contradiction​

At first glance, NIV makes it sound like:

• Isaiah → morning star = fallen figure (Satan/king of Babylon).
• Revelation → morning star = Jesus.

But context is key:

• Isaiah: “morning star” = false light, arrogance, temporary shine.
• Revelation: “morning star” = true light, eternal hope, messianic glory.

The same metaphor points in opposite directions depending on context — like how “lion” can mean Christ (Lion of Judah) or Satan (prowling lion).

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⚖️ So, no direct contradiction, just two uses of the same symbol. But it does open the door to confusion — especially since NIV made the same choice of phrase in both passages, which the KJV avoided (KJV keeps “Lucifer” in Isaiah, “bright and morning star” in Revelation).