Age in Relationships

[k]

Believing that the word of God is foolishness to those who are not christians is what makes me wonder.

To me, to dismiss one verse dismisses them all. A christian and a non christian discussing the bible in any great depth is very vain simply because they are on two completly different levels of mind sets and motivations.

One does not necessarily have to be a Christian to appreciate the teachings the Bible has to offer.

If a Christian and non-Christian enter into dialogue on the Bible they may learn much from each other. However, if the Christian's only goal is to prove the Bible to be Right, then yes, it may be in vain. On the same token, if the non-Christian's only goal is to aggravate the Christian, it is also in vain.

We cannot always know what the motivation of the other person is.

More importantly, we should always remember the Holy Spirit is our True Guide, and not ourselves.

 

[xtxArchxAngelxtx]

One does not necessarily have to be a Christian to appreciate the teachings the Bible has to offer.

If a Christian and non-Christian enter into dialogue on the Bible they may learn much from each other. However, if the Christian's only goal is to prove the Bible to be Right, then yes, it may be in vain. On the same token, if the non-Christian's only goal is to aggravate the Christian, it is also in vain.

We cannot always know what the motivation of the other person is.

More importantly, we should always remember the Holy Spirit is our True Guide, and not ourselves.

I know this.

 

[xtxArchxAngelxtx]

In other words, you have no verses to back up your argument.

Why am I not surprised?

Sounds like a good idea though, I would rather read some more of the Mahabharata first though.

Perhaps you assume too much. Yes I do have back up, unfornatly, I do have a life aside from this on line chit chat in which I would have spend a few hours looking for my so called back up, which in my mind is still completly vain since you are not even a christian. It is completly useless to my Lords eyes and I will not treat his word like so. You will not get me to debate Gods powerful word just so we can bicker about translation- it is foolishness. The bible is greatest weapon ever created, I will not use it so lightly.
I gave you a breif surface reasoning on I believed what I believed showing that I do have reasoning behind my beliefes and I can dig deeper if I choose to. Do not call me a liar.

 

[morningstar2651]

Fair enough. I have stuff to do too. Right now I'm getting ready for an interview at a conservative private Christian college I plan to transfer to.

The bible is greatest weapon ever created, I will not use it so lightly.

I believe the pen is mightier than the sword.

 

[xtxArchxAngelxtx]

"I believe the pen is mightier than the sword."

Thank you for proving my point about your opinion of the bible.

 

[morningstar2651]

Eh? Would you rather I thank you for not stabbing me in the face? What exactly did I prove other than words are more powerful than anger, violence, aggression, and force...which you appear to have plenty to share with me.

Good luck with that whole spreading the word thing, Arch Angel...I'm sure the people will listen to it when you decide their opinions for them and deem them unworthy to hear it. You now have the distinct honor of being the only person on my ignore list...I prefer not to listen to trolls.

Congratulations!

 

[Electric Sceptic]

I can very easily call your advice apathetic and rebelious to Gods will according to what you would call "opinions."

Yes, you could. Then we could have a discussion about our respective opinions. But apparently, rather than do that, you want to complain because someone disagreed with you.

The difference is, I try to remain peaceful... your comment was not, hence my reaction. Do you see where I am coming from? This discussion can and should remain without tone and peaceful. If not, well... we will see.

My comment was perfect peaceful. I gave my opinion about something you said. I'm sorry that you (apparently) don't like that, but that's pretty much what happens on forums like this.

"Anyone who is in an abusive relationship has every right to get out of that relationship." I never said they didn't, infact said the opposite.

Really? Let's see. You said:

"No, you don't let them beat you up. You make sure they know what they are doing first, then allow them too. Refer to Ghandi and his pacifism. Beyond that, tell them what they are doing wrong. Beyond that even more, DO NOT RUN AWAY."

To excerpt, you said..."...then allow them too [beat you up]." You added "...DO NOT RUN AWAY."

That sure sounds like telling people they should stay in relationships where they are being physically abused. That is incredibly bad advice.

 

[sculpturegirl]

I believe that one is not old/mature enough to date until one realizes that you will never really be old/mature enough to date.

Once that seeps in, one needs to evaluate SPIRITUAL maturity, spiritual goals, spiritual balance in being yoked, and spiritual gender roles.

If one is "strong" in the Lord, embeded into Gods word and pray and tracking with God and His will, allow this man (cause the MAN is to PURSUE the WOMAN, not the other way around), to find himself a Virtueous women. A woman who is worthy to be praised and fits the description of Probverbs 31. If you think you are old enough to do that, then by all means date.

Keep in mindf what the purpose of dating is: Preparation for marrage.[emphasis mine] If this boyfriend of yours is still living at home with his parents without making any progress as to finding a job to support you, then thats a huge red flag.

AMEN, brother! A 15 year old, at least in this country in this century, has no business getting married. So what is the point of dating a man, which can potentially seriously harm her relationship with her father and has already caused her to dishonor him??

 

[Chrono Traveler]

AMEN, brother! A 15 year old, at least in this country in this century, has no business getting married. So what is the point of dating a man, which can potentially seriously harm her relationship with her father and has already caused her to dishonor him??

Do you now the girl? Do you know her boyfriend? Do you know how their relationship is? Do we know what her father is like?

You can't really be to aginst the relationship if she truly claims to love him.

As said before, her mother is not aginst the relationship, so I don't see the problem. As for not telling her father, maybe he is just over protective.

 

[Archivist]

"doesn't change the fact that no individual has the right to strike another individual unless it is done in self defense. "

I stated this fact 3 times in the post you responded too...

"Anyone who is in an abusive relationship has every right to get out of that relationship." I never said they didn't, infact said the opposite.

Earlier in this thread you said the following: "Death is the only way to break off a marriage. My whole church believes this, I do, and many other people I know do. It obviously conflicts with your beleifs, but thats your opinion and I have mine. I can understand why you beleive this and by no means am I going to say anything about it being wrong. But to answer your question, it is as you say. God is not an abuser approver, correct, but more so, he is not a divorce approver."

Now you are saying that a woman in an abusive relationship has the right to get out of the relationship.

Which position are you going with?

 

[xtxArchxAngelxtx]

Earlier in this thread you said the following: "Death is the only way to break off a marriage. My whole church believes this, I do, and many other people I know do. It obviously conflicts with your beleifs, but thats your opinion and I have mine. I can understand why you beleive this and by no means am I going to say anything about it being wrong. But to answer your question, it is as you say. God is not an abuser approver, correct, but more so, he is not a divorce approver."

Now you are saying that a woman in an abusive relationship has the right to get out of the relationship.

Which position are you going with?

I am going with the fact that I believe they should stay in it, but by no means will I tell them or try to enforce them too. Just because I have a certain beleife or conviction does not mean I expect everyone to follow or believe it-- This is something most christians cannot understand.

 

[xtxArchxAngelxtx]

Eh? Would you rather I thank you for not stabbing me in the face? What exactly did I prove other than words are more powerful than anger, violence, aggression, and force...which you appear to have plenty to share with me.

Good luck with that whole spreading the word thing, Arch Angel...I'm sure the people will listen to it when you decide their opinions for them and deem them unworthy to hear it. You now have the distinct honor of being the only person on my ignore list...I prefer not to listen to trolls.

Congratulations!

I really am sorry if offended you. It wasn't like you were trying to make a mockery of me for not using scrtipture to use in a vain debate.

As far as spreading the word, this little arguement in which you tried to make my Gods word become useless has nothing to do with me spreading the word. One first undestand the Law of the lord before one understands and believes by faith the scripture of my God. You have shown not to have this.

Do I deem you unworthy to hear? Absolutly not. I deem you unworth to render my Gods words useless through vain discussion, and the same goes with christians as well.
Do not be so quick to judge. Forgive me for forseeing what you had planned a few threads from now.

Peace.

 

[xtxArchxAngelxtx]

Yes, you could. Then we could have a discussion about our respective opinions. But apparently, rather than do that, you want to complain because someone disagreed with you.

I could care less if people agree with me, infact I stated I do not plan to convert anyones opinions. I have not complained about anything except for being misunderstood.

My comment was perfect peaceful. I gave my opinion about something you said. I'm sorry that you (apparently) don't like that, but that's pretty much what happens on forums like this.

The fact you are still talking about it tells me otherwise... we obviously have different opinions on peace.

Really? Let's see. You said:

"No, you don't let them beat you up. You make sure they know what they are doing first, then allow them too. Refer to Ghandi and his pacifism. Beyond that, tell them what they are doing wrong. Beyond that even more, DO NOT RUN AWAY."

To excerpt, you said..."...then allow them too [beat you up]." You added "...DO NOT RUN AWAY."

That sure sounds like telling people they should stay in relationships where they are being physically abused. That is incredibly bad advice.

From a very human and wordly prospective, I agree. When one compares the vanity and quickness of this world to the awards in heaven and breaking a covenant which was never to be broken, it becomes much less relevant. It's a thing called faith, and I know stories of many abused who had it, and they now have God fearing, non violent husbands that are now saved by the Lord.
To me, telling a women to divorce her husband after the first hit without questions ask or seeking any help is bad advice.

Would I blame a woman for a getting a divorce in this situation? Absolutly not. Would I encourage her to get a divorce? I would tell her everything I have said here on this thread and let her make her God given choice.

 

[sculpturegirl]

Do you now the girl? Do you know her boyfriend? Do you know how their relationship is? Do we know what her father is like?

You can't really be to aginst the relationship if she truly claims to love him.

As said before, her mother is not aginst the relationship, so I don't see the problem. As for not telling her father, maybe he is just over protective.

Love is not the only ingredient in a sucessful relationship. I am saying that I don't think that people out to be in serious dating relationships until they are ready to get married. At 15 one is not in that position.

She may truly love him, I don't know her heart. If they are meant to be together, then God will bring them back together in 3 years.

 

[Chrono Traveler]

Love is not the only ingredient in a sucessful relationship. I am saying that I don't think that people out to be in serious dating relationships until they are ready to get married. At 15 one is not in that position.

She may truly love him, I don't know her heart. If they are meant to be together, then God will bring them back together in 3 years.

No, god will not. If they love eachother, they have to bring themselves together.

 

[pro_odeh]

Pray over the matter!

 

[Chrono Traveler]

God will only help them if they help themselves, if they don't pursue a relationship, it won't happen.

 

[Vernuda]

I do not see anything wrong with age differneces!!

 

[pro_odeh]

Right! but if they pray, and God shows them that the relationship should not happen, God will not help them get together. But still, dont undersetimate what God can do!
God bless!

 

[Chrono Traveler]

Love is not the only ingredient in a sucessful relationship. I am saying that I don't think that people out to be in serious dating relationships until they are ready to get married. At 15 one is not in that position.

She may truly love him, I don't know her heart. If they are meant to be together, then God will bring them back together in 3 years.

And I must note, why is it a man or woman suddenly mature at age 18?
How can you be sure she does not have the mental age of a 25 year old?

I saw this talk show where they put down a 17 and 14 year old that planned to get married. Right after that, they tried to bring a 19 year old girl back together with a 50 year old boyfriend..Weird huh? I really wonder sometimes...