AG Garland Appoints Jack Smith as Special Prosecutor

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OR it simply indicates that different people have different opinions which is why we hold meetings to exchange ideas, consider all alternatives, and select a plan of action. what seems to lost on some liberals is that it is not a crime to listen to ideas that conflict with your ideas.
Yes, listening to alternative ideas is not illegal, but acting on them might be. If the alternative idea is illegal to do then it is illegal to do.
 
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Yes, listening to alternative ideas is not illegal, but acting on them might be. If the alternative idea is illegal to do then it is illegal to do.
Also planning on doing something illegal is conspiracy to [illegal action].
 
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The special prosecutor has not subpoenaed these people's testimony to discover that people hold different opinions in meetings.
And what exactly are they going to have to say???
 
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Yes, listening to alternative ideas is not illegal, but acting on them might be. If the alternative idea is illegal to do then it is illegal to do.
AND if it is not illegal it is NOT illegal regardless of how much some people might what it to be illegal.
 
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AND if it is not illegal it is NOT illegal regardless of how much some people might what it to be illegal.
Yes, that’s true, however the opposite is also true - if it is illegal then it is illegal no matter how much in denial some people are.
 
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Mike Pence is not appealing. He will also not be fighting this ruling of the court.

Trump loses appeal to block Pence from testifying about direct communications

The unanimous decision, from Judges Patricia Millett, Robert Wilkins and Greg Katsas on the DC Circuit, came in a sealed case on Wednesday night that CNN previously identified as Trump’s executive privilege challenge to Pence.

Trump could try to appeal again and even press the issue at the Supreme Court.
 
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Dollars to doughnuts the SCOTUS declines to hear it.
maybe not there are very good reasons why the conversations between the president and vp should be kept confidential.
 
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maybe not there are very good reasons why the conversations between the president and vp should be kept confidential.
So far both courts ruled it's not blanket protections, and neither will the SCOTUS.
 
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maybe not there are very good reasons why the conversations between the president and vp should be kept confidential.
True, but plotting an insurrection ain't one of them.
 
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maybe not there are very good reasons why the conversations between the president and vp should be kept confidential.
LOL, see post #153. And to quote Emperor Joseph II from Amadeus, "Well, there it is..."
 
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LOL, see post #153. And to quote Emperor Joseph II from Amadeus, "Well, there it is..."
it is a little short sighted to be LOL about a decision that could well backfire on the security of our nation in the future, if a court can demand that a VP must disclose the content of conversations with the president or others it open doors that should not be available to those who would use the courts to obtain the content of confidential conversations
 
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it is a little short sighted to be LOL about a decision that could well backfire on the security of our nation in the future, if a court can demand that a VP must disclose the content of conversations with the president or others it open doors that should not be available to those who would use the courts to obtain the content of confidential conversations
Just so you know, grand jury proceedings are confidential, so any testimony given in a grand jury, federal or state, isn't public record and jurors are prohibited from discussing anything learned during the proceedings.

Pence probably knew that already.

-- A2SG, so, no worries.....
 
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OH you have evidence that someone was plotting an insurrection please share it with us?
You could have seen the Jan 6 hearings where evidence was presented. There’s also the convictions for seditious conspiracy of some of the insurrectionists.
 
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it is a little short sighted to be LOL about a decision that could well backfire on the security of our nation in the future, if a court can demand that a VP must disclose the content of conversations with the president or others it open doors that should not be available to those who would use the courts to obtain the content of confidential conversations
Well when the next president or vice president is under investigation of potential crimes, then just like Watergate, just like sitting VP Cheney testifying to a Special Counsel, and just like Trump conspiring to steal an election, the courts will make a ruling. In both cases they ruled to cough it up. What Pence is asked to testify about was about the security of the nation.
 
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You could have seen the Jan 6 hearings where evidence was presented. There’s also the convictions for seditious conspiracy of some of the insurrectionists.
Saw the hearing didnt see much of anything that would qualify as evidence.
 
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