If there is a point, then I can repeat that I don't see any proof of the Jews at any point in history, excepting the
black Jews of course, have ever had dreadlocks.
As said before, it has long been others outside of Black Jews which have had hair styles in the form of locks - as there are many Middle-Eastern and Sepharidic Jews who grew their hair in lock style. That was already covered directly in the OP (be it with outside reference or picture of differing types of Jews). And I repeat,
one has to ignore history in order to claim there's no "proof" - or already have a pre-existing idea that something could NOT have happened before asking for proof (i.e. begging the question)
It's not anything hidden or hard to find....
Having spent time in Egypt doesn't change that - they spent time in Babylon and Persia as well, if it matters.
Incorrect, seeing that intermixture via genetics as well as through learning what happens in the culture always makes a big deal. It's why there were so many variations of Jews throughout antiquity who dressed differently and looked different - Jews in the time of Esther with the Persian Empire (Iran) looking vastly different than those who lived in Greek culture or India.
This is an issue which many in the Jewish world have long discussed when it comes to seeing the myriad of places Semitic people groups went - and they ways they all developed differently. It's the basis behind why some Jews are Ashkenazi (European features), Sephardic (i.e. those from the Iberian Peninsula - Spain, Portugal, etc.), Indian, Asian or many other varieties.
As said before, there have always been varieties of Jewish/Semitic people - and many of them have been more than able to do locks/noted historically where it was the case. I will again refer to more
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There are many who are Jewish and yet fitting the depictions given..
It'd be more accurate to note that it's not just black people saying that others who look black are real Jews---and to say it was all black people saying such would be a gross generalization that wouldn't fit the situation. Israeli Jews that are Caucasian in appearance have noted the same to relatives/friends whenever they've seen other Black Jews be discriminated against....and sadly, such has happened in the Israeli state multiple times.
For those who are followers of Yeshua/identify with him as a Jew, it is no small matter when those same people are told by others that Yeshua nor the Jewish people in the scriptures could've ever looked like them..even as they're told that he could've looked like the European Jews that are the dominant group in Israel and the prominent face coming to mind whenever others think on persecution of the Jewish people, from the Holocaust to Pogroms and many other things.
There were a lot of people who've noted the issue for decades when it came to all the Caucasian Jews who were harmed in the Holocaust. However, for anyone being historically honest on the facts, there was NO such cry when it came to the Black Jews (Afro-Germans as well) who were also harmed in the Holocaust (more shared here in #
279 )...and not surprisingly, seeing that in the times not many were concerned for the affairs of black culture (the entire basis behind the Civil Rights era) and mostly everything black was despised while all things white were praised. Again, many
blacks died in the Holocaust alongside others (more discussed
here and
here ), yet not many seemed to care about it in the times they lived in since being black wasn't a real concern for most of the world dominated by colonial thought/Euro-centric superiority.
Others have often been skeptical on the issue of Black/African Jews dying in the Holocaust..but it is reasonable that since there were limited Black Africans in most of Europe then, and fewer still that were Jewish, and that the Nazi's were out to exterminate Blacks as well as Jews, being both, (especially one of which you could not conceal), lowered your odds of surviving exponentionally. So highly likely the few there probably were, were some of the first exterminated.
You'll often hear of the Jews in Germany/Europe wiped out during the Holocaust in those areas...but what you don't often see is that during the North African campaign,
17 Concentration camps were establihed in places like Morocco, Libya , Algeria and Tunisi...directly impacting African Jews. This enterprise was a labor camp and no extermination camps were in place in North Africa.
Jews living in those areas were rounded up, tortured and executed..
and anyone being there in those places is aware of the Jews present who are dark-skinned in those areas (especially those who are Berber Jews)..just as there are light-skinned Jews there as well. The small numbers, did not mean that "African Jews" were not a part of the Holocaust.
For Black Jews who were mistreated in the U.S, if they recieved flack for being black/Jewish, no one would take them seriously on many sides---DESPITE the heritage being plain (more discussed
here ). Part of that often had to do with others having stereotypes of what being "Jewish" was about since others often felt Jews were European or looked white---and there was ALOT of hatred toward that which was black that was evidenced by the ignoral of times blacks were wiped out (discussed
here).
Many felt as if they didn't really have a voice on any side.
To be Jewish in the 1960s/earlier was not something you came out with openly/declared expecting to not be harrassed...and it was one of the reasons many white Jews were able to blend in with the dominant culture/get by and didn't bring up their Jewish ancestry.
For the sake of reference...
Technically I don't know of BI Jews with dreadlocks but I'm giving the benefit of the doutb that at least one of them experimented with it. I certainly am aware of the argument that Nazirites were proto-Rastas, and used to find it credible - only because I
wanted to believe it, not because of any historical merit to the argument. This was at a time I was considering getting dreads myself
It was never just BI Jews with dreadlocks in the form of one - and as said before, it is ignoring history to try arguing as if it was ever one rather than many. That goes beyond the dynamic of Nazirites as proto-Rastas since Rastas aren't the only one who rocked dreads...
As it is, getting dreads is really inconsequential as to what happened historically - as there are plenty who never had any desire for them in academia and yet they note the validity of what happened historically with locks being a style amongst Semitic people and other groups. If you felt personally inclined to believe in Nazarites being proto-Rastas because you wanted dreads, respectfully, that is your own experience....but it is not universal to all others
One cannot argue via selective ignoral of history and then talk on not finding historical merit - for that is not dealing consistently with the facts or what historians have long noted in the Jewish world.
I do see a point in aesthetics mind you- I love to find out as much as possible about the distinct, particular qualities of Israel. In fact it kind of saddens me to see the Temple depicted in such a Greco-Roman style. God could well have done it in that style but it seems "off."
However even this is like - what are you gonna do about it?
Let's say we visualized it differently, the hairstyle and architecture and clothes and music and so on - then what
Two things..
One, although the Temple is interesting, it is not the focus in this thread when it comes to the ways it is often depicted in Greco-Roman style. It saddens me to see - but I would rather keep things focused on the hair styles predominately. ....but to your point on it, it can always be interesting when things could easily have been done a certain way and yet it is not recieved because it feels "off" to us in what we may be leaning toward.
Two, no one said discussing African features in hairstyles and dress amongst the Jews had to do with finding ways of ensuring EVERYONE saw it the same. It really does not matter whether folks visulize differently - as what was of focus was showing the historical/biblical merit in why some view things a certain way and addressing where others only portray things a certain way....and whether or not others continue to portray things as being ONE WAY only is inconsequential to discussion that focuses on how they were not.
If not interested in discussing why there are differing visualizations in history with Jewish people, then the thread is not meant for you - but if wanting to have fun discussion (fellowship ) on the ways things were and how the variations occur, that is the point
. Always has been and that was always spelled out in the OP - which I suspect you didn't really investigate fully in light of the claims made despite historical references which were noted by other Jewish organizations/historians.
) - as there was not one style of hair that people had for ALL eras as if it was cookie cutter. It's understood that people have differing understandings on what happened based on what they may have grown up with - but when it comes to history, what often happens is that people don't start with studying the diversity that was present (i.e. dress, musical styles, hair, etc.) and then say how someone else sees it (based on one era they may've investigated) is NOT valid because it differs from their own pre-concieved idea. 
