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Affirmative Action, Racial Discrimination Against Non-Minorities?

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Affirmative Action and College Admissions
Should racial and ethnic preferences continue?


By Tom Price November 17, 2017 Volume 27, Issue 41

The Supreme Court has upheld the use of race in college admissions, but affirmative action is facing new challenges. Many whites continue to oppose giving preference to minorities to compensate for discrimination and to diversify campuses, and the Trump administration says it may sue universities practicing intentional discrimination. Several critics question affirmative action's effectiveness, citing minorities' continued under-representation at elite universities. But affirmative action's defenders say it has helped raise minority representation on campuses, and that most universities rely on a holistic admissions approach that looks at applicants' public service, creativity and other attributes, as well as race. Georgetown and other schools are pursuing innovative ways to diversify their student bodies, such as admitting the descendants of slaves owned by their institutions. Meanwhile, activist Edward Blum has filed numerous suits challenging laws and policies that favor minorities over whites.

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Abigail Fisher is an unassuming 27-year-old from Sugar Land, Texas, who played the cello and dreamed of attending the University of Texas at Austin, the alma mater of her sister and father.

She also is at the center of a legal storm involving affirmative action. For the past nine years, Fisher has maintained that the university rejected her application in 2008 because she is white, in violation of the U.S. Constitution. Her lawsuit twice landed at the U.S. Supreme Court, most recently producing the landmark 2016 ruling that the school could treat race as a relevant feature within the broader context of a candidate's application.

Nevertheless, Fisher and an advocacy group backing her, Students for Fair Admissions, filed a new lawsuit in late June in state court, arguing that the university's use of racial preferences in admissions violates state law and the Texas Constitution.
 

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"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the content of their character but the color of their skin in order to get preferential treatment."

I don't recall that line being in MLK's famous speech...and yet today that is what we see.
 
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"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the content of their character but the color of their skin in order to get preferential treatment."

I don't recall that line being in MLK's famous speech...and yet today that is what we see.

It's a temporary measure to help correct centuries of discrimination. Affirmative action isn't a fair thing, but sometimes its a necessary thing to set equality onto the right path.
 
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It's a temporary measure to help correct centuries of discrimination. Affirmative action isn't a fair thing, but sometimes its a necessary thing to set equality onto the right path.

And keep it on the right path and not let this country divert back to what it was before Affirmative Action and the Civil Rights Movement. It's a real shame for a nation like America (that loves to boast how it was founded on freedom, liberty and justice for all) has to have a law like Affirmative Action to further prevent minorities from being discriminated against. I don't like to think about what the racial condition of this country could be for minorities if Affirmative Action wasn't in place or if the Civil Rights Movement had never happened. Given my years of involvement in Native American social justice activism, I have my own thoughts as to the reasons why some white people are complaining about Affirmative Action, but it might be considered flaming if I said what I think those reasons are.
 
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And keep it on the right path and not let this country divert back to what it was before Affirmative Action and the Civil Rights Movement. It's a real shame for a nation like America (that loves to boast how it was founded on freedom, liberty and justice for all) has to have a law like Affirmative Action to further prevent minorities from being discriminated against. I don't like to think about what the racial condition of this country might be for minorities if Affirmative Action wasn't in place or if the Civil Rights Movement had never happened. Given my years of involvement in Native American social justice activism, I have my own thoughts as to the reasons why some white people are complaining about Affirmative Action, but it might be considered flaming if I said what I think those reasons are.
I believe Affirmative action is direct discrimination against non minorities.

Why should I have to keep a ratio in my business of anything, I should be able to hire and fire as I choose.

Keep a higher qualified student or potential employee from being accepted based upon quotas of race?

If a person is talented, and they can benefit my corporation they are hired, simple.

Less government bueracracy, more freedom.

The 60's-70's saw the invention of welfare, more babies less work, feminism, rainbow flag day, save the whales kill the babies (abortion) on and on, a bad thing for America.
 
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I believe Affirmative action is direct discrimination against non minorities.

Good for you.

Why should I have to keep a ratio in my business of anything, I should be able to hire and fire as I choose.

Huh? Nobody is forced into implementing AA policies.

Keep a higher qualified student or potential employee from being accepted based upon quotas of race?

That's not what AA is.

If a person is talented, and they can benefit my corporation they are hired, simple.

lol... riiiiight...

Even in sports, which ought to be about as pure a meritocracy as one can find, team owners still hemmed and hawed over hiring blacks.

Less government bueracracy, more freedom.

As I stated in the other thread, this is a shallow, simple-minded concept of freedom that, when taken to its logical conclusion, would hold up anarchy as the state of peak freedom.

The 60's-70's saw the invention of welfare, more babies less work, feminism, rainbow flag day, save the whales kill the babies (abortion) on and on, a bad thing for America.

lol, k
 
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Universities that discriminated against minorities also usually give preference to children of alumni - who tend to not be minorities.

A New Call to End Legacy Admissions
theAtlantic said:
About three-quarters of U.S. News & World Report’s top 100 universities give a boost in admissions to the relatives of alumni, according to an analysis by The Century Foundation, where I am a senior fellow. But student groups such as the Cornell First Generation Students Union, Socioeconomic Diversity Advocates at the University Chicago, and First-Gens@Brown have announced that they plan to challenge such policies, which research finds tend to benefit white and wealthy applicants.
 
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It's a temporary measure to help correct centuries of discrimination. Affirmative action isn't a fair thing, but sometimes its a necessary thing to set equality onto the right path.

No, it's an impatient thing that fuels racism on both sides.
 
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The 60's-70's saw the invention of welfare, more babies less work, feminism, rainbow flag day, save the whales kill the babies (abortion) on and on, a bad thing for America.

While up until 1864, America employed slavery based on racial discrimination to provide itself with free labor.

And, even after slaves were freed, they weren't given the rights of free citizens until the 1960's or so.

That's almost 200 years worth of significant racial discrimination.

That's what programs like Affrimative Action are designed to correct ...
 
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Admission should be based on GPA and test scores. All other criteria are subjective and subject to abuse.
I agree 100%!

No speculation, 100% GPA and test scores, may the highest qualified win!

There is no argument against that scenario!
 
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Affirmative Action and College Admissions
Should racial and ethnic preferences continue?


By Tom Price November 17, 2017 Volume 27, Issue 41

The Supreme Court has upheld the use of race in college admissions, but affirmative action is facing new challenges. Many whites continue to oppose giving preference to minorities to compensate for discrimination and to diversify campuses, and the Trump administration says it may sue universities practicing intentional discrimination. Several critics question affirmative action's effectiveness, citing minorities' continued under-representation at elite universities. But affirmative action's defenders say it has helped raise minority representation on campuses, and that most universities rely on a holistic admissions approach that looks at applicants' public service, creativity and other attributes, as well as race. Georgetown and other schools are pursuing innovative ways to diversify their student bodies, such as admitting the descendants of slaves owned by their institutions. Meanwhile, activist Edward Blum has filed numerous suits challenging laws and policies that favor minorities over whites.

Overview

Abigail Fisher is an unassuming 27-year-old from Sugar Land, Texas, who played the cello and dreamed of attending the University of Texas at Austin, the alma mater of her sister and father.

She also is at the center of a legal storm involving affirmative action. For the past nine years, Fisher has maintained that the university rejected her application in 2008 because she is white, in violation of the U.S. Constitution. Her lawsuit twice landed at the U.S. Supreme Court, most recently producing the landmark 2016 ruling that the school could treat race as a relevant feature within the broader context of a candidate's application.

Nevertheless, Fisher and an advocacy group backing her, Students for Fair Admissions, filed a new lawsuit in late June in state court, arguing that the university's use of racial preferences in admissions violates state law and the Texas Constitution.
Would you give the direct descendants of slaves their own land as a form of recompense and allow them to separate?
 
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I agree 100%!

No speculation, 100% GPA and test scores, may the highest qualified win!

There is no argument against that scenario!

Obviously, there is an economic hurdle to obtaining continuing education as well.

Would you suggest that NOTHING be done to repair hundreds of years of economic disparity, i.e. that the 50 years since the Civil Rights movement should have taken care of that ?
 
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Would you give the direct descendants of slaves their own land as a form of recompense and allow them to separate?
This has been done, It's called welfare and government housing.

There has been homesteading in America since the founding colonies.

"FREE LAND"

Alaska, Iowa, Kansas, Michigan, are still active as we speak.
 
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This has been done, It's called welfare and government housing.

There has been homesteading in America since the founding colonies.

"FREE LAND"

Alaska, Iowa, Kansas, Michigan, are still active as we speak.
There are plenty of descendants of slaves who have received neither welfare nor government housing. Would you give them their own land as a form of recompense and allow them to separate?

And there are more white people than black who receive welfare (although the percentage of black who receive is greater). So not that clearly is not a form of recompense for slavery.
 
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There are plenty of descendants of slaves who have received neither welfare nor government housing. Would you give them their own land as a form of recompense and allow them to separate?

And there are more white people than black who receive welfare (although the percentage of black who receive is greater). So not that clearly is not a form of recompense for slavery.
I Think We Should Hold The African Tribal Rulers Accountable, Who Sold Their Own People Into Slavery?

Not All American Slaves Were Beaten, And Treated Inhumane As Is Historically Suggested.

Whites Were Held In Endentured Servitude, A Form Of Slavery.

Jews Were Enslaved In Egypt For 400 Years, In Babylon For 70 Years.

I Think America Needs To Make Reparation To Non-Minorities By Removing Affirmative Action.
 
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Admission should be based on GPA and test scores. All other criteria are subjective and subject to abuse.

Yet study after study show that people of color continue to be underrepresented. What is your plan for ensuring this equity you claim to be ideal is put into practice in reality?
 
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Yet study after study show that people of color continue to be underrepresented. What is your plan for ensuring this equity you claim to be ideal is put into practice in reality?
Oprah Winfrey And Colin Kaepernick Will Ensure It's A Reality?
 
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