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If a uniform testing procedure isn't strived for, what pray tell, are you looking for, im in suspense?
You correct, it's subjective, and right back to the unfair subjective playing field of discrimination.A student who would benefit from an education at the institution they are applying for. After that the student who is most qualified.
I'm not looking for a single objective measure like class ranking or GPA as either of those can fail.
Again I do not worship a measure being objective, especially because the question of which student is best (and in general which person is best at some activity) is not an objective question.
With the SAT you can retake the test as many times as you want. Actually I was running a fever of over 100 the day I took the subject tests and was splitting the day between taking the SAT and a swim meet.
So if you have the money you can retake the test until you score well. If you are poor that option may vanish.
BTW the testing conditions at Beverly Hills HIgh School were considerably better than where I took the first part of the SAT. Air conditioning and a significant increase in working space does matter.
Your blind to the truth, fisher didn't qualify for the 92% of admissions that applied to the top 10%, get your story straight!
If you do not know the difference between you're and your then you're out!
Fisher was competing for the 8% left open, that was based upon race, income, foreign language, as qualifiers, capiche!
What Abigail Fisher’s Affirmative Action Case Was Really About
In 2008, the year Fisher sent in her application, competition to get into the crown jewel of the Texas university system was stiff. Students entering through the university's Top 10 program — a mechanism that granted automatic admission to any teen who graduated in the upper 10 percent of his or her high school class — claimed 92 percent of the in-state spots.
Fisher said in news reports that she hoped for the day universities selected students "solely based on their merit and if they work hard for it." But Fisher failed to graduate in the top 10 percent of her class, meaning she had to compete for the limited number of spaces up for grabs.
She and other applicants who did not make the cut were evaluated based on two scores. One allotted points for grades and test scores. The other, called a personal achievement index, awarded points for two required essays, leadership, activities, service and "special circumstances." Those included socioeconomic status of the student or the student's school, coming from a home with a single parent or one where English wasn't spoken. And race.
Those two scores, combined, determine admission.
She was competing with the predominately football, basketball players, and other sport figures that didn't make the grades, lets be real!LOL! I agree with this fellow
You also need to work on your reading comprehension. I'm not the one who has failed to see the truth. Read my posts again.
That's what I already explained to you. The gal failed to earn admission by being in the top 10% of her graduating class, so she was competing with the other failures from within Texas as well as the out of state, international applicants for the leftover spots. You're the one who needs to work on "capiching." Lol.
Lol, what you've posted substantiates what I've written. Thanks. Since you're into coloring, I'll help you out. Your source points out what I've explained to you. There were only a limited number of spots up for grabs. Since she failed to earn a spot with grades, she was competing to get in based on other things like her test scores, talents. Her SAT score was below average, so that wouldn't have helped her out much. She said that being a talented cello player should have counted for more, but that's her opinion. The other applicants could have written better essays, shown more leadership, been more involved in their schools, on top of having better scores & grades.
She was competing with the predominately black football and basketball players, and other sport figures that didn't make the grades, lets be real!
100% discrimination!
Braves you don't take 92% based upon test scores, and 8% based upon scores and subjectivity, it's unfair to include race, language, economic status, language.Yes, let's be real and stop making things up to suit the narrative you like best like you just did.
Braves you don't take 92% based upon test scores, and 8% based upon scores and subjectivity, it's unfair to include race, language, economic status, language.
100% test scores, whatever it may be is the only fair out.
If she was tested equally with all applicants, and didn't make the cut, tooooo bad!
She was subjected to a discriminatory process, fact!
Using the top 10% from various school districts is discriminatory in itself.Well, your own sources contradict your posts. The majority were admitted based on their ranking in their Texas high school graduating class. Fact. The small percentage of others were admitted based on numerous criteria, as you just pointed out. You keep talking about test scores, well hers were below average. So if everybody was admitted based solely on test scores, how would that have helped her? She was tested equally with all applicants & she failed to make the cut. So yeah, too bad.
Using the top 10% from various school districts is discriminatory in itself.
Perhaps the top 10% in a minority school district would not meet the same qualification in another district?
Perhaps 30% could have qualified higher on testing in a non minority district, but to accomodate a predomonately "Minority" school district, they guaranteed 10% of minority students in this district spots, open discrimination a fact!
Once again GPA is subjective, we know that also, 4.0 at a minority district could be a 3.5 at a non minority district, subjective.
Entrance exam uniformly administed is the only fair process, no strings attached.
I have not studied that branch of sociology. I will offer an uneducated guess though. I believe that Southeast Asian countries are heavily populated, historically, they have faced many hardships like famine, war, and government oppression. That forced family members to work very hard right away from a young age. Culturally, many families live together in large family units with grandparents, children,aunts, uncles, cousins etc.And Asians outscored them all. What factors do you think led to that?
According to the information I can find, a total of 47 students with worse academic performance than Ms. Fisher were admitted. Of those, 42 were white and 5 were minorities. Given the proportions, I'm not sure it's possible to conclusively say that the 5 minority students were chosen over Ms. Fisher based solely on race.
What, exactly, are you claiming to be inconsistent?
How would Abigail Fisher have access to all the academic profiles of the minority students admitted at UT for her class?
Like I wrote in my post, with TX House Bill 588 81% of the class she was applying to be in were admitted based on being in the top 10% of their class, regardless of their race. She failed to earn admission that way, having an inferior academic record to those who were. She also only got an 1180 on her SAT, putting her below the average for those who were admitted in that class.
How would Abigail Fisher have access to all the academic profiles of the minority students admitted at UT for her class?
You are still missing the point. She is not denying she did not qualify on the basis of being in the top 10% of her class. The 10% threshold was not the basis of her lawsuit. She did not allege injury on the basis of the 10% threshold scheme.
It is called discovery. A party issues a subpoena for records to the university.
How do you calculate GPA? Do you give the extra point for AP and Honors classes? Do you include P.E.? How about shop and 'home ec' classes?
So which tests? The SAT also has subject tests and in Math has 2 different levels.
If 2 students have identical GPAs and are identical in their SATs except one took Math Level 1 and got an 800 and the other took Math level 2 are you saying you would accept the student who took the level 1 test?
Fortunately I could not have gotten shafted that way. I scored 800 on the math level 2.
If she claims that she would have been admitted over the minority students had race not been factored in, then she is claiming that they were chosen over her based solely on race.Where did the "solely on race" phrase originate? I did not say, and neither did Ms. Fisher claim, the 5 minority students were chosen over her "based solely on race." However, Ms. Fisher says A.) Their race was a factor in admitting them over her and B.) Eliminating the factor of race, then she is likely admitted since C.) The factor of race of the other applicants was considered because such a factor when determining admission facilitated the university's goal of achieving a more diversified campus.
That's why I think it's great that Texas puts the biggest emphasis on HS class rank. Everybody's competing with other kids in their own school, own class to be at the top. Back when this gal applied the bar for automatic admission was set lower than it is now & the gal who brought the lawsuit still didn't reach it. Nowadays somebody with her class rank & her SAT score would be considered a total reach, even as an in-state applicant. I am pretty dang proud of my SAT score & GPA, and I was worried about getting in as an out-of-state applicant. I didn't end up applying there but had checked it out pretty thoroughly.
If she claims that she would have been admitted over the minority students had race not been factored in, then she is claiming that they were chosen over her based solely on race.
The fact is that we don't know where she ranked or where those 5 minority students ranked. It could be that they had enough points to beat her even without factoring in race - after all, 42 white students in similar academic situations could say the same. And it could be that there were 5 (or more) other students who were ranked between her and the 47 students with worse academic records who were accepted, so even if those five minority students would not have made it in without race playing a role, she still would not have been accepted.
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