Advice

[ABlessedAnomaly]

Because Terry answered inline within the quote, I quote the whole response: the non-bold statements were mine; the bolded statements are Terry's.

I understand what you are saying. I understand theologies that teach such.

The bible teaches such, not theologians.

Word of Faith is not one of them. The prayer you propose glorifies the pain and not the healing. This concept is not embraced by Word of Faith. It is not taught in Word of Faith. We don't offer thanks for pain.

Do we give thanks for the sacrifice of Jesus? Did He not suffer great pain? Do we give thanks for the pain that God suffered for us? do you not embrace this?

We thank God for saving us through Jesus death. I've never heard anyone say "Praise God for the pain."

The point here, though, is not any proof for your point. The point is this is a Word of Faith congregational forum and we do not teach thankfulness for pain. And non-Word/Faith members cannot teach here contrary to this congregation's beliefs. These are the CF rules for congregational forums. I'm not here to debate this issue; you cannot teach it here.

Do we ever feel pain? Of course. Does God move in our sorrow and pain to bring "beauty for ashes?" Absolutely.

God moves in our sorrow and pain, praise God you are right! In the midst of our pain God can work! So what do we do when we are hurting for somebody? Blame it on the curse? No! we thank God that He is able to move via the pain we feel. We give thanks in all things.

Yes, you're right. The hurt we feel is not of the curse, but the sin that we hurt for is of the curse. We give thanks to God for the answer, the uplifting, the harvest -- not the pain.

Is pain in this girl's life because of "any curse" in her life? No. I'm not speaking of specific curses or things like generational curses here. I'm speaking of The curse.

Jesus became "The" curse for us, we are free from it. Galatians 3:13-14

This is through acceptance. 2 Corinthians 5:21 tells us Jesus became sin for us. Can we not sin?

We continue to have a choice. We can remain under God's wing or we can wander out and go beyond the hedge and into the curse. That choice has not been removed from us.

Today I invoke heaven and earth as a witness against you that I have set life and death, blessing and curse, before you. Therefore choose life so that you and your descendants may live!
Deut 30:19 (NET)
New Testament is clear, Choose Jesus He is life.

Amen!

Her friend chose, even as we pray it is only momentarily, to move toward the curse and out of God's blessing. Her emotions are caught up in this because he is her good friend.

She is caught up in her love for her friend, it is not due to a curse she is free from. I say again Greater is He that is her than he that is the world.

Why do you speak as if I said the curse is touching her when I CLEARLY said he has wandered out into the curse?

Am I to thank God for the pain in my life when a friend embraces sin? I understand that God allowed pain to occur so that I would help, be moved to compassion, not be numb to the situation.

I did NOT say thank God for her friends sin. You say God allows pain and can move through our sorrow and pain to bring "beauty for ashes?" so why not thank Him for that, you say it moves you to compassion so why not thank Him for that too. I say again, in all things give thanks. Should I thank God for your continues twisting of my words? No! but I do thank God that as a result of it you might learn something!!

I've not twisted your words. But you have the conclusion right: thank God for the result.

(BTW, you're words are twisted on themselves. You say give thanks in ALL THINGS and in the next sentence you form exceptions. Hmm.)

Again, I do understand that within the many denominations that exist in Christianity that there are some who "glory in pain." I'm not saying that you are promoting this directly. But this movement, Word of Faith, does not give glory to any product of our lives that is not a direct gift of God. God does not bring pain (you do agree with at least this statement, right?). God will not make us hurt so that He can teach us a lesson (He's far more resourceful than that).

I do not belong to a denomination or any new movement. I am not promoting "glory in pain" directly or indirectly. I did NOT say God brings pain. I did NOT say glory in pain, I did NOT say give glory to something that is not from God. I did Not say that God hurts us to teach us a lesson. Do you actually have any idea of what it is I am saying? By giving thanks to God you embrace all that you encounter, you do not have to understand this, it is an act of faith.

And THIS is the point. You don't belong to our movement: you are NOT Word of Faith. Therefore you CANNOT teach here.

You DID say: "...thank you for the pain I feel for him Lord..." in your prayer. This IS NOT a faith prayer that would come out of our movement. It is not biblical to thank God for something He did not give.

Ashleigh is in a painful position. Her friend is walking away from God's blessing and away from God. God doesn't glory in that pain. God will glory in this young man's renewed mind if, and when, he repents of this decision and returns to God. That is where God will get glory from this.

Again, I did NOT say that God glories in pain. He already has ALL the glory and there is nothing you or I can do to add to that. I never even mentioned glory!

Our praise is glory to God.

And in the meantime, we see that glory of God wrapping His loving arms around this young woman, loving her, and leading her to help her friend back onto the right path. Ultimately, though, it will be his decision; it is his free will choice.

I see a young girl looking for advice.

Terry

Yes, in a Word of Faith forum.
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[Ashleigh2016]

Remember this: no matter how long this takes, as long as your friend does not give up on listening (and does not give up on God), you must patiently, patiently, patiently keep witnessing to him. Be bold, but be loving. This may take days, weeks, months? The Lord is calling him (or he wouldn't be interested and concerned), but he must respond.

Above all: be patient, loving and bold.

God bless you!

Thanks. That was just the encouragement I needed.

 

[Root of Jesse]

I do everyday. I just haven't seen a change yet. I don't know what to tell him or his mom.

You may never see the results of what you pray for, at least until you're final day in front of your Lord and Savior. Just walk with him, pray for him, and invite him to pray with you together. Be his friend, and lead him by example.

 

[Terry sopwith]

2 Corinthians 4:17 New International Version (NIV)
17 For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all.

1 Thessalonians 5:18 New International Version (NIV)
18 give thanks in all circumstances; for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus.

Ephesians 5:20 New International Version (NIV)
20 always giving thanks to God the Father for everything, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Philippians 4:6 New International Version (NIV)
6 Do not be anxious about anything but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God.

Colossians 3:17 New International Version (NIV)
17 And whatever you do,whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.


2 Corinthians 4:15-16 New International Version (NIV)
15 All this is for your benefit, so that the grace that is reaching more and more people may cause thanksgiving to overflow to the glory of God.

16 Therefore we do not lose heart. Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day.

Job 6:10New International Version (NIV)
10 Then I would still have this consolation - my joy in unrelenting pain that I had not denied the words of the Holy One