Adventist end time beliefs?

[mmksparbud]

But the Law from which the Ten Commandments hung, remains for believers only. The Ten Commandments for wicked unbelievers is now only used for commentary purposes. Notice there is no Sabbath required in the New Covenant.

The 10 commandments are for the whole world. God did nothing that was not meant for the whole world. The Jews were to supposed tell the truth to others, instead they became exclusive instead of inclusive. Even the Sabbath states it's for the stranger in your home. Not taking the name of the Lord i9n vain was not mentioned either, I guess that is why everybody thinks it's just fine to use His name frivolously.


Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Thje very idea that the commandments are for believers only is ludicris. God wants evryone to be moral. Though this is the first time that I've heard this one. They ussualloy say the 10 are for the Jews only! Where there is no law, there can be no sin! If there is no sin, no savior is needed! Salvation is not for the Jews only. Jesus died for everry single sinner---they just have to accept.

 

[Dave L]

The 10 commandments are for the whole world. God did nothing that was not meant for the whole world. The Jews were to supposed tell the truth to others, instead they became exclusive instead of inclusive. Even the Sabbath states it's for the stranger in your home. Not taking the name of the Lord i9n vain was not mentioned either, I guess that is why everybody thinks it's just fine to use His name frivolously.


Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Thje very idea that the commandments are for believers only is ludicris. God wants evryone to be moral. Though this is the first time that I've heard this one. They ussualloy say the 10 are for the Jews only! Where there is no law, there can be no sin! If there is no sin, no savior is needed! Salvation is not for the Jews only. Jesus died for everry single sinner---they just have to accept.

The Ten Commandments were for Israel only. ““The LORD our God made a covenant with us at Mount Sinai. The LORD did not make this covenant with our ancestors, but with all of us who are alive today.” (Deuteronomy 5:2–3)

 

[mmksparbud]

The Mark of the Beast was Roman coin.

This one?
Mar 12:15 Shall we give, or shall we not give? But he, knowing their hypocrisy, said unto them, Why tempt ye me? bring me a penny, that I may see it.
Mar 12:16 And they brought it. And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? And they said unto him, Caesar's.
Mar 12:17 And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.

The mark of the beast has everything to do with worship:
Rev_16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
Rev_19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Rev_20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

It hass not happened yet.

 

[mmksparbud]

The Ten Commandments were for Israel only. ““The LORD our God made a covenant with us at Mount Sinai. The LORD did not make this covenant with our ancestors, but with all of us who are alive today.” (Deuteronomy 5:2–3)

He had not spoken to anyone else as He had with them. He appeared on the MT---He had never done thast with anyone else. It is not that the 10 are for the Jews only----Thou shalt not kill---for the Jew only? Thou shalt not steal--for the Jew only? Thou shalt not commit adultery--for the Jew only? Then salvation is for the Jew only?
Rom_3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Rom_5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

Yet, Cain sinned, Joseph said he refused to sin against God. Adam and Eve sinned.
Rom_3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Rom_5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

Joh_14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh_15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
1Jn_2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn_3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn_5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn_5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

For the Jew only? Well----
Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

 

[CharismaticLady]

The Mark of the Beast was Roman coin.

Read the title of this OP. Adventists believe it is worshiping on Sunday, thus their name "Seventh-Day"

 

[Dave L]

He had not spoken to anyone else as He had with them. He appeared on the MT---He had never done thast with anyone else. It is not that the 10 are for the Jews only----Thou shalt not kill---for the Jew only? Thou shalt not steal--for the Jew only? Thou shalt not commit adultery--for the Jew only? Then salvation is for the Jew only?
Rom_3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Rom_5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

Yet, Cain sinned, Joseph said he refused to sin against God. Adam and Eve sinned.
Rom_3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Rom_5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

Joh_14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh_15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
1Jn_2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn_3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn_5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn_5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

For the Jew only? Well----
Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

All have the Two Great Commandments written in their hearts. Not the Ten Commandments.

In essence; all know how they would like to be treated, but none treat others this way. Only the born-again come close.

 

[summerville]

Read the title of this OP.

SDA has very different beliefs dating back to the Millerites and the
great disappointment".

 

[mmksparbud]

All have the Two Great Commandments written in their hearts. Not the Ten Commandments.

In essence; all know how they would like to be treated, but none treat others this way. Only the born-again come close.

The 2 consists of the 10. Even the born again have trouble---it is meant for all or you have no hope.

 

[Dave L]

The 2 consists of the 10. Even the born again have trouble---it is meant for all or you have no hope.

The Two preceded the Ten. The Ten hung from them.

 

[mmksparbud]

The Two preceded the Ten. The Ten hung from them.

The ten were given in Exodus. How can the 2 precede the 10? Jesus was quoting from Duet.

Deu_11:13 And it shall come to pass, if ye shall hearken diligently unto my commandments which I command you this day, to love the LORD your God, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul,
Deu_13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
Jos_22:5 But take diligent heed to do the commandment and the law, which Moses the servant of the LORD charged you, to love the LORD your God, and to walk in all his ways, and to keep his commandments, and to cleave unto him, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul.

 

[Jesse Johnson]

But the new birth = saved people don't need to be threatened with death keep them from stealing.

Becoming holy and conformed to God's character is a life long process. Human beings (even "saved" ones) violate all of the ten commandments if only to the most minute degree(s) all day every day, to say nothing of sins of omission. We shall need Christ's righteousness to cover our wicked thoughts and deeds until the latter rain--the second coming of the Holy Spirit. Again, we are all born legalists and the problem with legalists is that they (we) don't take the law seriously enough. God is looking for super saints, overcomers, in these last days. People who are willing to be saved from their sins, not in their sins. Sanctification is just as important (if not more so today) than justification and glorification. We must be saved from the power of sin as well as the penalty and presence of it.

For this is the will of God, even your sanctification...
1 Thessalonians 4:3

 

[Jesse Johnson]

Notice there is no Sabbath required in the New Covenant.

I didn't notice that at all.

 

[Jesse Johnson]

I am glad these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians - for all mankind... going all the way back to Eden.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

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Moses wrote Genesis, Lev, etc. and gave the books to his readers at the same time.

So when the reader sees that God tells Able that "sin is at his door" it is because God's commandments say not to murder.

When the reader sees that clean vs unclean animal distinctions are made in Genesis 6 and 7 -- they can go over to Lev 11 to see "just what those terms mean ... how are they defined" -- so then the people before the flood have access to the information and act on it as we see n Genesis 4 and 6 and 7..

Indeed. Joseph seemed to be fully aware of how despicable adultery was to God somehow. Perhaps he was "saved" and it just mystically occurred to him.

 

[Dave L]

I didn't notice that at all.

That's because there isn't any.

 

[Jesse Johnson]

The Law in the heart = love for God and People. These replace the TCs that forced wicked people to act like they love God and people under threat of death.

The Two preceded the Ten. The Ten hung from them.

Now I'm confused. Which came first: The chicken or the egg? I guess with Covenant Theology you can have it both ways.
All that really matters is how much I can get away with and still sneak into Heaven.

 

[Dave L]

Becoming holy and conformed to God's character is a life long process. Human beings (even "saved" ones) violate all of the ten commandments if only to the most minute degree(s) all day every day, to say nothing of sins of omission. We shall need Christ's righteousness to cover our wicked thoughts and deeds until the latter rain--the second coming of the Holy Spirit. Again, we are all born legalists and the problem with legalists is that they (we) don't take the law seriously enough. God is looking for super saints, overcomers, in these last days. People who are willing to be saved from their sins, not in their sins. Sanctification is just as important (if not more so today) than justification and glorification. We must be saved from the power of sin as well as the penalty and presence of it.

For this is the will of God, even your sanctification...
1 Thessalonians 4:3

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath [HAS] everlasting life.” John 6:47 (KJV 1900)

 

[Jesse Johnson]

That's because there isn't any.

No, I mean I didn't notice any exclusion. For something that was to be done away with Christ sure spent a lot of time trying to show how it should really be done.

 

[Dave L]

The ten were given in Exodus. How can the 2 precede the 10? Jesus was quoting from Duet.

Deu_11:13 And it shall come to pass, if ye shall hearken diligently unto my commandments which I command you this day, to love the LORD your God, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul,
Deu_13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
Jos_22:5 But take diligent heed to do the commandment and the law, which Moses the servant of the LORD charged you, to love the LORD your God, and to walk in all his ways, and to keep his commandments, and to cleave unto him, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul.

The Two supported the Ten. The Ten hung from them. Like an apple from a tree.

 

[Dave L]

No, I mean I didn't notice any exclusion. For something that was to be done away with Christ sure spent a lot of time trying to show how it should really be done.

Look again, the sabbath does not exist in its legal form.

 

[Dave L]

Now I'm confused. Which came first: The chicken or the egg? I guess with Covenant Theology you can have it both ways.
All that really matters is how much I can get away with and still sneak into Heaven.

“On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.” Matthew 22:40 (KJV 1900)