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Adolf Hitler - The World's Most Infamous Creationist

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So the next time someone wants to equate you, as an atheist, with Hitler, I invite you to share Hitler's actual beliefs with them. Then just sit back and relax as the faithful endure spastic mental gymnastics trying to spin it all.

I don't doubt some people have (wrongly) equated Hitler with Atheists but I think people generally equate Hitler with eugenetics and social Darwinism. By the way, it was Darwins cousin, who also did experiments for Darwin's theory, that invented eugenetics. Hitler probably banned Darwins books for the same reason some fundamental Mormons dont like people reading a bible. One thing I'll say for Darwin, he was against slavery. You only shared one side of Hitler's beliefs, it isn't spin to examine both sides of that coin.
"Hitler, wrote Speer, viewed Christianity as the wrong religion for the "Germanic temperament":Speer wrote that Hitler would say: "You see it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"

"Hitler had been brought up a Catholic and was impressed by the organization and power of the Church. For Protestant clergy he felt only contempt: 'They are insignificant little people, submissive as dogs...[-] They have neither a religion you can take seriously nor a great position to defend like Rome'. It was the 'great position' of the Church that he respected; towards its teaching he showed only the sharpest hostility. In Hitler's eyes, Christianity was a religion fit only for slaves; he detested its ethics in particular. Its teaching, he declared, was a rebellion against the natural law of selection by struggle and the survival of the fittest."

Religious views of Adolf Hitler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



I agree he was not an atheist. He identified himself as a Christian but his actions were anything but Christian. A few thousand chriatians pales in comparison of 6 million Jews, but he considered Christianity a branch of Judaism. His plans were to destroy Christianity after finishing Judaism.

Word for Word/The Case Against the Nazis; How Hitler's Forces Planned To Destroy German Christianity - New York Times


"For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions"
2 Timothy 4:3
 
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When Books Burn: Lists of Banned Books, 1933-1939

Here's an actual list of criteria for books that are to be burned. Of specific importance is #6, under Guidelines from Die Bücherei.

6. Writings of a philosophical and social nature whose content deals with the false scientific enlightenment of primitive Darwinism and Monism (H�ckel).

Now, true, Darwin isn't on the list, but, judging from this, it would be safe to say that his writings weren't exactly welcomed, either. Pretty much any book that taught 'Darwinism' was to be banned, and that would, of course, include books that Darwin himself made.
 
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By the way, it was Darwins cousin, who also did experiments for Darwin's theory, that invented eugenetics

Interesting. Completely irrelevant, but interesting.

Hitler probably banned Darwins books for the same reason some fundamental Mormons dont like people reading a bible.

What would that be?
 
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Ummmm....tell me, if it's the "most profoundly stupid thing" to assert that Hitler was a theist, is it more or less stupid to use a fake quote to further that argument.....!?

The "seductive lie" quote was NOT Hitler's.......it was Nietzsche's....!!

Oh boy.......!
 
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"True" Christianity.......??

Hoots mon........and what would that be laddie...?
 
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Great point......as I mention in the morality thread, if you replaced the name "god" with Jack or Harry in the Old Testament, most fair people would describe that character as a psychopathic lunatic......
 
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Pleast don't quote a giant post in it's entirety and respond with a single sentence.
 
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And yes, those popes that started the inquisition were not true Christians either. Nor were those burning witches, nor were those sitting on the council of Nicaea declaring a trinity of godhood when there is only one.

Off topic, but it's worth pointing out. You self-identify as a Christian (with the non-denominational faith icon) and what allows people to self-identify as Christians on CF is an acceptance of the Nicean Creed.
http://www.christianforums.com/rules/#faq_sof_creed
The flipside of that is CF recognizes those who accept the Nicean Creed as Christians and it's against forum rules to declare anyone who abides by the forum statement of faith not to be one.

You might just want to keep this in mind.
 
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Except it didn't say "Darwinism", it said "primitive Darwinism and Monism". Whatever that was, Haeckel, rather, than Darwin was listed as the prime example here, which suggests that it wasn't simply talking about evolution. Anyway, if Darwin's books were pulled from library shelves, like those of Marx or Freud, that should be a simple matter of historical record. It's not as though Darwin was too obscure an author.

I'll also note the quote from Mein Kampf in the OP:

The precondition for this does not lie in associating superior and inferior, but in the total victory of the former. The stronger must dominate and not blend with the weaker, thus sacrificing his own greatness. Only the born weakling can view this as cruel, but he after all is only a weak and limited man; for if this law did not prevail, any conceivable higher development of organic living beings would be unthinkable.
The consequence of this racial purity, universally valid in Nature, is not only the sharp outward delimitation of the various races, but their uniform character in themselves. The fox is always a fox, the goose a goose, the tiger a tiger, etc., and the difference can lie at most in the varying measure of force, strength, intelligence, dexterity, endurance, etc., of the individual specimens. But you will never find a fox who in his inner attitude might, for example, show humanitarian tendencies toward geese, as similarly there is no cat with a friendly inclination toward mice.


The passage in bold is the passage the OP quotes out of context. First, it is not by any stretch of the imagination an attack on evolution when read in context. Second, the underlined passage just one paragraph earlier, seems to assume evolution. What can "higher development of organic living beings" by natural law be, if not evolution?

Hitler was more inspired by Joseph Lister than Charles Darwin.

How much he was inspired by Darwin isn't what I'm talking about. Darwin has been cited by political ideologues of all stripes to support their case. What I was addressing was the OP's rather bizarre attempt to paint Hitler as some kind of American-style fundamentalist, which would have been quite a rare thing indeed in Central Europe of his day.
 
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No, it doesn't assume evolution.....its a statement about so-called 'racial purity'.....
 
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Anyway, if Darwin's books were pulled from library shelves, like those of Marx or Freud, that should be a simple matter of historical record. It's not as though Darwin was too obscure an author.

How do you assume what should and should not be a simple matter of historical record? Many things about that time and specifics are constantly disputed.
 
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It matters not what others think as to Hitler's Christianity. That Hitler affirmed Christianity is what matters.
Hitler also affirmed evolution, so every evolutionist is a Hitler, right?
Hitler also made a treaty with Stalin, so Germany and the Soviet Union we allies, right?
Hitler believed that the Japanese were almost as low on the evolutionary scale as Jews, which is why he refused to allow them into the Axis, right?
Hitler believed that the Aryan race was the most evolved and other races were sub-human. It was therefor perfectly acceptable for him to commit genocide, right?

I hate to burst your bubble, but Hitler was a liar who used words to motivate and manipulated. He never demonstrated any religion whatsoever, though he used it to his advantage whenever possible. Hos view of God was closer to Odin, who delighted in war and conquest. Hitler thought the elimination of Jews and the subjugation of non Aryans was how the world was supposed to be. He was an unwitting servant of Satan, who was no doubt delighted by the actions of the Third Reicht.

Hitler's future is eternal damnation. The wise man look to Jesus for truth, not Adolph Shickelgruber.
 
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Why is it everything I think, do or say around here is either low or stupid?

I've never accused you of either before. Personally, I thought you were too above this sort of thing - from what I've seen of you around the forum, while I don't agree with everything you say or even most of it, you at least seem respectful, for the most part. This is a bit disappointing.

The 'races' used in that title is in an entirely different context than what Hitler would have been using in Mein Kampf. Darwin uses 'race' pretty much like a synonym for breed, which was a common usage for the word at the time. For instance, he refers to different 'races' of cabbage.

Origin of Species barely even mentions humans and never gets into whether they evolved or not.
 
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Yes, I know what Darwin meant by "races."

I've been through this a hundred times.

I've been using that segment of the title of his book here for years, and have had this pointed out to me several times.

Notice none of the old-timers spoke up?

So why do I still use it?

Why do others still say the Bible teaches a flat earth? geocentrism? etc.?
 
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Notice none of the old-timers spoke up?

I don't even think any of them are on. And I only replied an hour after you posted, so it's not like it was sitting there all day.

Why do others still say the Bible teaches a flat earth? geocentrism? etc.?

Why do you feel they do and why do you feel that makes doing basically the same thing okay?
 
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