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However, I still stand on my position that many are conflating the theory with the philosophy, calling the philosophy of Humanism and Naturalism with evolution, causing confusion and misunderstanding in communications.
That is the question I think we need to focus on. The ECFs are important, but they can be wrong. We need to go directly to the stories and see if there is room in Orthodoxy for biological evolution. Genesis tells us God brought man from the dust of the earth, God instructed man to live a certain way, and man disobeyed. These, to me, seem to be the most crucial parts of the story. Whether or not there was an actual snake, or whether God really walked in the garden, or whether there were six 24-hour days are all secondary in comparison. Literal or allegorical, the key message remains the same: by disobeying God we suffer death.
I want to echo jckstraw here. We totally need to look at the Christian, theological, philosophical implications of Darwin's theories, not just the science alone. We must look at this as a board game, if you'll all pardon my cheesy metaphor. We seem to have different starting places. My starting place is: Christ Jesus is the Son of Man. God made man in His own image. God made man to be like Himself, but man fell and needs God to restore the divinity within him and be reborn. If we start with God's creation and the Fall, we will come to a different place than the people who have a board that starts with "God made organisms within the ocean after a Big Bang in a sea of ammonia and other chemicals who later developed and adapted himself to leave said oceans and ascend onto land eventually becoming a homo sapien amidst other types of man like homo erectus and homo habilis and neanderthals. Eventually a bunch of these hominids killed each other off and somehow God gave ensoulment to two of them and jettisoned the rest.
Big-time different starting points. For me, God comes first. He is the source of all, end of story. For anyone who sees evolution as the first things, we have a totally different timeline and there are theological implications to that. For starters, Jesus came as God and took on flesh to become a God-Man who saves the human race....well, the human race of 2,000 years ago. Will that human being in 10,000 years be the same race that Jesus saved? And as Rus and Jckstraw said, how can we theologically and spiritually relate to a being in flux? In Christianity, unlike some religions, the BODY and the SOUL are joined. And I think that is what is lacking in this argument. It's almost like evolution adopts a type of gnosticism to it where body and soul are two different arguments and discussions? Adam and Eve and Christ as well as myself and everyone in this room are the same life form, static biologically for the most part, but spiritually growing....
or, you have that man is unique and in Creation there was death somehow. so you have a dying Creation reflecting the glory of the eternal God, and He created that for a King and Queen that were made to live.....
they were rocking out with man
But in all seriousness, it does make me wonder what role the dinosaurs played and why God would create a host of monstrous reptiles to rule over the Earth only to disappear and man ascends? Weird, don't you think? Did God just create them for the purpose of fossil fuels?
the Dinosaurs were the main source of food outside of Paradise. T. Rex tastes like chicken.
sorry Gurney, i don't know what to say about the purpose of dinosaurs.
Well, I think it sounds like no big woop, but things like dinosaurs play into the evolution argument to a certain degree I think....Why would God create these beasts so massive, powerful, awesome, and dangerous, covering the Earth with them and then just wiping them out and putting Man on the planet? And with the Creation narrative, where do they fall in and why?
I think this stuff is fodder for pro-evolutionists to argue their case...
well the dinosaurs were created along with the other land animals on the 6th day. but when they went extinct, or what their specific purpose was, i don't think we can say. but they weren't wiped out before man came along - because, remember, there was no corruption or death before man sinned.
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