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"Adaptations" and other "givens"

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i've known a few true evolutionists in my day who really seemed to be consistent in their belief of it. they openly admitted that their worldview is shaped by evolution and they fully recognized and acknowledged that that is why they are not Christians. they also had barely more respect (if any) for the theistic evolutionists than for the "Creationist" types like myself.
 
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Often the BEST you can hope for from those guys is a watered-down type of deism in which they grudgingly concede that it's REMOTELY POSSIBLE that some anonymous, uncaring, distant, cold clock-winder type of force is behind it all....and that's the best you can hope for!

 
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Rus, what you have been saying is exactly what St. Gregory Palamas said, 700 years ago:


and Kireyevsky too:

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I ask forgiveness if I have asked you this before, jck, but are you in seminary? I can't remember?

Rus, what you have been saying is exactly what St. Gregory Palamas said, 700 years ago:



and Kireyevsky too:

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Glory to God!!! And no wonder you know so much about this topic, given your thesis work on the matter!

May God bless your future ministry! So do you hope to become a parish priest or...?

i graduated from St. Tikhon's in May. i wrote my thesis on Fr. Seraphim and his work on Creation.
 
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I just hope that those that believe the modern fashionable view (universal evolution of all life as opposed to observable change that we ALL acknowledge, AFAIK) get that the approach of those that disagree is not at all on the basis of being ignorant of or merely ignoring science (ie, of being ignorant savages "stuck in the past") but on an entirely different basis - that of looking at and through the worldview of the people who cooked these ideas up in the first place, which by now many thousands of scientists have accepted, taken and run with, vis-a-vis Orthodox doctrine.

If one refuses to believe that scientists could be wrong en masse because of assumptions that enable them to come to consistent conclusions that are consistently wrong, then what could anyone say? The ancient world believed in the 4-element theory, and Newtonian science was king until very recently. That's not "a final argument", only to say that ideas agreed upon by all can be overturned when a better explanation comes along, and that these ideas can be very popular for a very long time and seem like unquestionable dogma. And yet science by definition is not supposed to have unquestionable dogmas, only working ones.
 
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Glory to God!!! And no wonder you know so much about this topic, given your thesis work on the matter!

May God bless your future ministry! So do you hope to become a parish priest or...?

at this point i'm still working on figuring that all out -- who knows what God wants!
 
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yeah, the way that I personally see things is that God is the only One who saw how it all played out from the beginning. practically every saint, even after Darwin, even those that were very well educated, reject evolution. that makes the choice pretty obvious for me.
 
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Glory to God!!! And no wonder you know so much about this topic, given your thesis work on the matter!

May God bless your future ministry! So do you hope to become a parish priest or...?

he make a darn good bookstore clerk, I can tell you that much
 
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awwww shucks

the Elder Joseph the Hesychast book has been my companion since being put on radio guard. and the Fr Kosmas CDs on the Soul after Death were awesome as well.

all suggested by said clerk.
 
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So you're on radio guard and not paying attention reading Orthodox literature? Well, as long as it's Orthodox....LOL

the Elder Joseph the Hesychast book has been my companion since being put on radio guard. and the Fr Kosmas CDs on the Soul after Death were awesome as well.

all suggested by said clerk.
 
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So you're on radio guard and not paying attention reading Orthodox literature? Well, as long as it's Orthodox....LOL

radio guard meaning guarding radios in a tent to make sure no one steals them. the tent only has one entrance and my chair is right by the radios. plus it ain't that big.

and the radios are off so it's not like I am listening or anything.
 
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According to leaked info from Snowden, Army Matt allowed 317 radios to be stolen while reading hesychastic literature in the tent. The radios are now in the possession of Abu Nazir of Al-Qaida!
radio guard meaning guarding radios in a tent to make sure no one steals them. the tent only has one entrance and my chair is right by the radios. plus it ain't that big.

and the radios are off so it's not like I am listening or anything.
 
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According to leaked info from Snowden, Army Matt allowed 317 radios to be stolen while reading hesychastic literature in the tent. The radios are now in the possession of Abu Nazir of Al-Qaida!

we don't have that many, and if I was engrossed in the literature, my nous would have been aware. not saying that I was, but I was either not that into the reading and would have caught a potential thief, or was engrossed in it and would have anyways. either way, nuthin was getting taken.

plus I downed a Rip it, so I was good
 
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but speaking of the Elder Joseph book, this is pertinent to this thread:

 
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and the thing about the Elder Joseph passage is - there's only 3 options here:

1. Elder Joseph, the HESYCHAST, was deluded or fooled by a demon who created some temporary stench
2. Elder Joseph, the HESYCHAST, mistook a natural smell for a spiritual smell
3. Elder Joseph was right, and evolution is stank nasty
 
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or
4. Elder Joseph the HESYCHAST lied.

seems to me only option 3 makes any sense
 
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