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Why is this such an important topic to you? I don't understand the purpose of this thread.
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See my post #128.
Did I say there was?There is no such thing as an immortal soul.
That is not found in the bible. Jesus referred to death as sleep many times, so did His disciples. Adam and Eve were not immortal. God would have kept them immortal. God alone is immortal.
Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Gen 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
Gen 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
Joh_11:11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
Joh_11:12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.
Joh_11:13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
Act_13:36 For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:
Act_13:36 For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:
1Co_15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Th_4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
Mat_9:24 He said unto them, Give place: for the maid is not dead, but sleepeth. And they laughed him to scorn.
Mar_5:39 And when he was come in, he saith unto them, Why make ye this ado, and weep? the damsel is not dead, but sleepeth.
Luk_8:52 And all wept, and bewailed her: but he said, Weep not; she is not dead, but sleepeth.
1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
Everlasting life is a gift from God to the saved, there is not one verse that says immortality is given to the lost.
Rom_6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Luk_18:30 Who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting.
Mat_19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
Joh_3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh_3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Joh_6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
That's really a silly question, since we well know that the 'dead in the ground' idea that dead brethren are literally asleep in a casket is only a tradition, as the many Scriptures I have shown proves differently.
And I certainly am not... the first believing Christian that has not believed in that 'dead in the ground' theory you're pointing to.
Jesus referred to death as sleep many times, so did His disciples.
Why is this such an important topic to you? I don't understand the purpose of this thread.
I can only find one occurrence:Can you provide Scripture verses that support that please?
What do you think Philippians 1:21-23: means?
21 For to me, living is Christ and dying is gain. 22 If I am to live in the flesh, that means fruitful labor for me; and I do not know which I prefer. 23 I am hard pressed between the two: my desire is to depart and be with Christ, for that is far better;
Is Paul describing a state of postmortem sleep here? Or is he saying that he will be with Christ (and presumably awake)?
Can you provide Scripture verses that support that please?
What do you think Philippians 1:21-23: means?
21 For to me, living is Christ and dying is gain. 22 If I am to live in the flesh, that means fruitful labor for me; and I do not know which I prefer. 23 I am hard pressed between the two: my desire is to depart and be with Christ, for that is far better;
Is Paul describing a state of postmortem sleep here? Or is he saying that he will be with Christ (and presumably awake)?
I gave several on the post you are quoting---#153--didn't you read it?
Paul. knew this.
The scriptures you quote do not support your view, they support my view. Here is the first you quoted. (1 Corinthians 15:50-53)
(50) Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
(51) Behold, I tell you a mystery: We all shall not sleep, but we shall all be changed,
(52) in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
(53) For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
To what church do you belong please. I see you put down Baptist, but my Baptist minister father would totally disagree with you according to the above.
I gave several on the post you are quoting---#153--didn't you read it?
With death, there is no consciousness.
Ecc_9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
The reason it is called sleep in the bible is because the next thing we know is when Jesus calls us unto resurrection. It's like when we go to sleep and the very next thing we know the alarm goes off. Esp. when we think we have not dreamed. With death it is like a dreamless sleep, we'll awake when Jesus calls us. So, it's we die, then the next thing we know it is Jesus calling us awake to be with Him. Paul. knew this.
Paul's use of "flesh" does not mean human tissue. It is first of all a contrast of the natural (corruptible, weak, sinful) body (1Co 15:42-44)
to the regenerated spirit, it is also used for the weaker element in human nature, the unregenerate state of man, the seat of sin in man.
God is Spirit, and to be present with God is to be in heaven.
That is all I am saying on the subject.
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He was in human flesh for 33 years.
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You are definitely confused about this being some game. Likewise, you are confused with what God's Word teaches about it also, as I have shown plenty of Scripture that proves that the resurrection body is to a "spiritual body", and not another flesh body.
1 Cor 15:49-50
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
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You simply choose to believe men's traditions instead of what Apostle Paul said above. I choose to believe Apostle Paul, and my Lord Jesus Who said in Matthew 22:30 that those of the resurrection are "as the angels of God in heaven".
So you can play the devil's advocate all you want by going against those written Scriptures, but it's not going to make the tradition of man you hold to any more true.
This is untrue.
Revelation 6:9-11
Yes, but the intermediate state is just that, intermediate. Our eternal hope isn't souls going to heaven for eternity; but the resurrection of the body and eternal life in the Age to Come when God renews and restores all creation. The time we spend with the Lord between death and resurrection is a foretaste of what awaits us on that glorious Day when the Lord returns and God makes all things new.
Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
If you wish to believe that God has millions of souls stuffed under His altar---you certainly are free to do so. I do not. It is obviously not literal.
Departing because to die is gain; i.e., being with Christ, there's no gain in oblivion.No, it's not obvious, because 2 Corinthians 5 also says that if we're absent from the body we're present with the Lord.
Paul did not say he looked forward to dreamless sleep for thousands of years, he said he looked forward to departing.
Departing because to die is gain; i.e., being with Christ, there's no gain in oblivion.
This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.
Yep. . .Lk 16, parable of Lazarus and the rich man.Exactly, when his body died (or as is termed most often for a believer, their body sleeps), his spirit is with Christ in heaven until his resurrection.
Jesus taught in Luke something that conflicts with the false doctrine of soul sleep as well. He did it in parable form but when it is confirmed by Paul and John.. I'd say it still holds up as true, that the souls of those who die are not unconscious but are conscious and aware, either being comforted and resting, or being tormented and never having rest.
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