Adam Schiff censured

[JustOneWay]

What is the title of this thread? Who is this thread about?

I would take this seriously, except many others in this thread have been discussing Hillary, including another mod, yet you continue to quote only my post as off topic.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I would take this seriously, except many others in this thread have been discussing Hillary, including another mod, yet you continue to quote only my post as off topic.

Its not even really "Hillary" that is discuss, but rather the research her campaign funded that included some done on the business activities of her opponent in Russia. This is apparently one of the "lies" that Schiff told and was censured for, though none of the proponents of that here seem interested in detailing the reasons for the censure.

 

[BPPLEE]

OK. Your opinion on the general topic of FISA warrants is noted. However, this is not an argument. Most certainly not an argument for "abuse of power".

The Durham report differs from your opinion. This investigation, Crossfire Hurricane never should have happened and it certainly is an argument

Durham report: Five key takeaways from the bombshell findings into Trump-Russia investigation - Washington Examiner

Special counsel John Durham's long-awaited report on the Trump-Russia investigation was finally released on Monday. The 306-page report, which Durham described as "sobering," cast doubt on the idea that the FBI should have ever begun its Crossfire Hurricane investigation and concluded that...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

 

[Hans Blaster]

The Durham report differs from your opinion. This investigation, Crossfire Hurricane never should have happened and it certainly is an argument

That's not what it says about CH. It says it should have been a preliminary investigation rather than a full investigation. It does not say there should have been no investigation. (And the persons I have read on this with inside knowledge of such investigations, indicate that the preliminary investigation would have very likely lead to a full investigation fairly quickly anyway.)

 

[BPPLEE]

That's not what it says about CH. It says it should have been a preliminary investigation rather than a full investigation. It does not say there should have been no investigation. (And the persons I have read on this with inside knowledge of such investigations, indicate that the preliminary investigation would have very likely lead to a full investigation fairly quickly anyway.)

That’s one way to spin it. There is a separate system of justice for Trump and anyone affiliated with him than for Joe Biden and his family

 

[DaisyDay]

But it worked to get FISA warrants on Carter Page and start an investigation that did considerable damage to Trump. It makes you wonder who’s side the Russians were on.

How did the investigation damage Trump? Other than getting some of his inner circle prison sentences…

 

[DaisyDay]

That’s one way to spin it. There is a separate system of justice for Trump and anyone affiliated with him than for Joe Biden and his family

As president, Trump did not even try to keep the DOJ independent of his wants and whims -at his direction two major investigations were launched against his enemies.

 

[BPPLEE]

How did the investigation damage Trump? Other than getting some of his inner circle prison sentences…

There was a long period of time at the beginning of his presidency that even the Republicans distanced themselves from him because they thought there was something to it, and when Mueller was appointed it certainly doesn’t help your poll numbers when you are under investigation

 

[JustOneWay]

Its not even really "Hillary" that is discuss, but rather the research her campaign funded that included some done on the business activities of her opponent in Russia. This is apparently one of the "lies" that Schiff told and was censured for, though none of the proponents of that here seem interested in detailing the reasons for the censure.

So? Who was Schiff lying about in the OP? I would say his name but I may get dinged for off-topic posts. His name rhymes with plump.

 

[Hans Blaster]

That’s one way to spin it. There is a separate system of justice for Trump and anyone affiliated with him than for Joe Biden and his family

It's not spin, it's what Durham wrote in his report, that a full investigation was too hasty and there should have been a preliminary investigation or assessment first.

Here's one key paragraph from the report laying it out:

Durham report page 56:


The evidence the Office reviewed shows that there were internal discussions with
FBI Headquarters executives, including the Deputy Director, about the decision to open Crossfire Hurricane. The executives were unanimous in supporting the opening ofthe investigation and there is no indication that these discussions contemplated anything short of an immediate full investigation, such as an assessment or preliminary investigation, into the meaning, credibility, and underpinnings of the statements attributed to Papadopoulos.235
The personnel involved in the decision to open a full investigation have stated that they
acted within the FBI 's governing principles as set forth in the AGG-Dom and DIOG that required an authorized purpose and an "articulable factual basis for the investigation that reasonably indicates" that an activity constituting a federal crime or a national security
threat "may be" occurring. But notably the DJOG also explicitly cautions FBI employees to avoid reputational risk to those being investigated by, among other things, specifying different standards for opening an assessment, a preliminary investigation, and a full investigation, with a corresponding continuum of permissible investigative activities. That measured approach does not appear to have been followed with respect to Crossfire Hurricane. Instead, as described above, on a Sunday and just three days after receiving the tmanalyzed information from Australia, Strzok authored and approved the Crossfire Hurricane opening EC.236 Thus, a full counterintelligence investigation into a SIM237 was triggered, at the height of a political campaign, before any dialogue with Australia or the Intelligence Community, and prior to any critical analysis of the information itself or the potential for the risk
of error or disinformation, issues that appropriately are addressed during assessments or preliminary investigations.

A couple key lines from that paragraph:

"That measured approach does not appear to have been followed with respect to Crossfire Hurricane."

and

"Thus, a full counterintelligence investigation into a SIM237 was triggered, at the height of a political campaign, before any dialogue with Australia or the Intelligence Community, and prior to any critical analysis of the information itself or the potential for the risk
of error or disinformation, issues that appropriately are addressed during assessments or preliminary investigations."

As you can see, Durham thought CH was started too quickly as a full investigation without appropriate caution and outside procedure.

 

[BPPLEE]

As president, Trump did not even try to keep the DOJ independent of his wants and whims -at his direction two major investigations were launched against his enemies.

Did he have the DOJ start an investigation of the front runner of the other party who would be challenging him in the general election for President? Did he have them bring charges on that person? Did whistleblowers come forward alleging that he took a bribe? Did the FBI fail to investigate the allegations under Trump?

 

[BPPLEE]

It's not spin, it's what Durham wrote in his report, that a full investigation was too hasty and there should have been a preliminary investigation or assessment first.

Here's one key paragraph from the report laying it out:



A couple key lines from that paragraph:

"That measured approach does not appear to have been followed with respect to Crossfire Hurricane."

and

"Thus, a full counterintelligence investigation into a SIM237 was triggered, at the height of a political campaign, before any dialogue with Australia or the Intelligence Community, and prior to any critical analysis of the information itself or the potential for the risk
of error or disinformation, issues that appropriately are addressed during assessments or preliminary investigations."

As you can see, Durham thought CH was started too quickly as a full investigation without appropriate caution and outside procedure.

Agreed. They jumped in with both barrels full speed ahead when it was not justified.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Agreed. They jumped in with both barrels full speed ahead when it was not justified.

And what would they have found if they went a little slower...

 

[BPPLEE]

And what would they have found if they went a little slower...

If Hunter Biden is any indication not much. They couldn’t have gone any slower with his investigation

 

[Hans Blaster]

If Hunter Biden is any indication not much. They couldn’t have gone any slower with his investigation

What else was there to find? He didn't properly pay his taxes and he used drugs. They managed to charge him related to both.

 

[disciple Clint]

37 (31 felony counts for espionage)Indictments in the Classified documents case. He refused to hand over top secret documents which included military and nuclear information.

34 indictments in NY state of Falsifying Business Records in the First Degree

Hush money case. He paid $130,000 to silence a woman who he had an affair with, which his lawyer already went to prison for. The reason he was not charged because he was president.

Georgia election interference. He tried to get Georgia to change the results of the election

January 6th - He attempted a coup on the United States.

He was found liable for sexually abusing a woman and is ordered to pay 5 million, and another case is pending and he will be found guilty again.

This is corruption the likes we have never seen before in American politics.

Everybody with a brain knows that nobody is above the law, and trump's attempt to turn America into a banana republic almost worked.

I don't hate trump - I believe all criminals should be punished for their crimes and not allowed to rule over the country.

This is about real crimes, not politics. Certainly you would want somebody who may have robbed your home to go to prison? yes? Well we want to see a person so corrupt never to lead this nation again.

"Everybody with a brain knows" that Trump has not been convicted of violating any criminal laws and is far from going to prison.

 

[JustOneWay]

Did he have the DOJ start an investigation of the front runner of the other party who would be challenging him in the general election for President? Did he have them bring charges on that person? Did whistleblowers come forward alleging that he took a bribe? Did the FBI fail to investigate the allegations under Trump?

Apparently you are unaware of the entire Ukraine extortion scheme....Somebody did not need the DOJ when they could do it with a foreign source.

 

[BPPLEE]

What else was there to find? He didn't properly pay his taxes and he used drugs. They managed to charge him related to both.

Look, I wish Donald Trump would go away. I’m not voting for him in the primary. But the perception is that he’s being maliciously prosecuted while Joe Biden and Hunter are getting a pass. Why is Trump charged for everything they can possibly squeeze in for having classified documents and Biden was even more careless with the same thing and he’s charged with nothing? You see how it looks? This is guaranteeing Trump the nomination and possibly the general election.

 

[BPPLEE]

Apparently you are unaware of the entire Ukraine extortion scheme....Somebody did not need the DOJ when they could do it with a foreign source.

Wasn’t there an investigation and a one sided impeachment? I believe it went nowhere in the Senate if I remember correctly

 

[JustOneWay]

Wasn’t there an investigation and a one sided impeachment?

That is irrelevant to what I said. It speaks directly to 'somebody's' attempt to discredit the person who could beat that 'somebody' in the election, which came to fruition. It happened, and we know it happened.