Adam lived how long?

[unitedistand]

well said, athlon

Adam's body was planned by God, to be like his spirit and his soul was - ETERNAL. But, when adam, being the "typical" male he was, slobbering over his wife, not being able to say no to her, he transgressed the command that God almighty gave him, thus breaking the first command that God gave to humankind.

 

[ZiSunka]

Different method of calculating the length of a year, or a faster revolution of the earth around the sun.

 

[LewisWildermuth]

Originally posted by JohnR7
We know for sure, that there were no thorns, thistles, or weeds in the garden of Eden. [/B]

First, how do we know this?

Secondly, what is so evil about thistles and thorns?

If I remember corectly most thistles are edible and some are beautiful plants.

And without thorny plants you have verry few berries and such and you also loose many beautiful plants.

For someone who praises Gods "plan" on making things so much you seem to hate a lot of the things God designed and planned.

 

[EPHRIAM777]

Originally posted by JohnR7 [/i]
The Bible tells us that Adam lived to be 930 years of age. This is hard for some people to accept. But actually there are others who believe that if Adam had not sinned, he could have eaten from the tree of life and he would have lived forever.

Eph asks...a few easy questions..??

1, How long did Adam live in the Garden of Eden..?

2, How long did Adam live in the Garden BEFORE he ate of the tree..?

3, PRIOR to Adam eating from that tree...Did he age at all...?

4, Did Adam "die" or "age"...at all during the time prior to his eating..?

5, IS the record in the Bible...of Adam's age a total length of his life....from the day he was formed from the dust of the ground....OR is it from the time he ate from the tree and BEGAN to die..as God said he would.." in the day " that ye eat from the tree ye will die..!

Thats just a few that maybe you can help me with JOHNR7..

John r7 says...
We know for sure, that there were no thorns, thistles, or weeds in the garden of Eden. Some people believe there was no death at all, in that the fruit did not ever rot on the vine and so forth.

Eph writes...

Are you saying that God created things that died..prior to the fall of Adam...?

GEN 1:31 says what it does.....Are you saying God created death then and that IT also was "good"...? SEE GEN 2:3 for the tie in to that...!

GEN 2:17..says what it does...So WHICH day did Adam eat of that tree..? The 7th day..? the 20th day..? The 50 trillionth Billionth day..??

....and did he begin to die on that day..so his AGE is counted from the day he began to die..which lasted only 930 yrs..

OR could he have lived in the garden for a LOOOOONG time in an UNFALLEN state prior to his eating from the tree...because we really don't know how long he lived unless we can know how long he lived in the garden before he fell...!

I say Adam didn't age or die prior to his fall..thus his age given in the BIBLE is from the point he ate of that tree and as God said "ye will die"...HE did begin to age and die..and from that point he "lived" to be 930 yrs old....(( which was less than 1000 yrs.."a 1000 yrs is as a day and a day as a 1000 yrs to God".. )) God promised he would "die" in the day he ate from the tree..and Adam did "die" in that day...he didn't make it to 1000 yrs old...!

BUT how long he lived before that is up for grabs...!

So if you c an please give the scriptures you have from the BIBLE...that TELL how long Adam lived in the Garden of Eden...." PRIOR"... to that fateful day he met up with Satan...and he "fell"....!

Thank You..!

 

[Lacmeh]

Well, the earthly coudln´t have changed, there is no way in that and the climate being livable.
We humans today have a "faulty" genetic makeup. This is easily provable. After we erase all faults, we get a maximum age of 300 years. There is no way to surpass this significantly.

 

[EPHRIAM777]

PS....


I'm not trying to be a wise guy by asking you all that...

I'm trying to get you to see that it isn't such a "cut and dry" issue..!

 

[EPHRIAM777]

Originally posted by Lacmeh [/i]
Well, the earthly coudln´t have changed, there is no way in that and the climate being livable.


Eph writes...

This of course isn't based on the Biblical account recorded in GEN...!

Lacmeh says..
We humans today have a "faulty" genetic makeup. This is easily provable. After we erase all faults, we get a maximum age of 300 years. There is no way to surpass this significantly.

Eph replies....

Lacmeh....Not according to GEN 6:9...So I'd have to respectfully disagree...with ya here...!

I'm sticking to the Biblical account...Thankz..!

 

[MSBS]

Originally posted by Lacmeh
Well, the earthly coudln´t have changed, there is no way in that and the climate being livable.
We humans today have a "faulty" genetic makeup. This is easily provable. After we erase all faults, we get a maximum age of 300 years. There is no way to surpass this significantly.

Hey this sounds interesting. Could you provides some sitations as to where the articles where published or perhaps the lab/s where the research was done?

 

[Chuck_Darwin]

Par tof the reason that we have short life spans(relatively speaking) is b/c cancers and other forms of genetic misinformation will have a bad effect on us and our offspring. There is a reason that cancers that kill later in life(after the reproduction cycle of humans) are more prevalent in our species. (Hint: it starts with an e and ends in vultion).

 

[Nathan Poe]

Originally posted by Athlon4all
Adam lived exactly 930 years just as the Bible says. He would've lived forever (physically and spiritually) if he had not sinned.

Genesis 3:17-19 is the curse placed onto Adam and his descendants (us). And here's what it says: "And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return."

The important part is that last bolded part. This is the covenant between Adam and God, which came because of sin. Because of the term dust, this is clearly talking about the physical body. This is saying essentially "Now Adam, because you sinned, you are going to die physcially" and then the part of the chapter where it is made clear that he will not eat the tree of life indicates spiritual death (if it weren't for the temporary atonment of the OT and Christ in the NT and today)

Ok, so you say it's true because the Bible says so. Ok...

Second, wouldn't a "covenant" imply some kind of contract or mutual agreement? I don't recall Adam getting much oppertunity to negotiate. This was more of a divine mandate than a covenant.

And are you going to sit there that sin literally leads to physical death? Then what did Noah and Methuselah eventually do after their 900+ years to deserve death?

 

 

[JohnR7]

Originally posted by LewisWildermuth
First, how do we know this?

Genesis 3:17-19 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; [18] Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; [19] In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.


 

 

[JohnR7]

Originally posted by LewisWildermuth
For someone who praises Gods "plan" on making things so much you seem to hate a lot of the things God designed and planned.

All of creation has fallen away from God. I would not even be a Christian if I did not grieve over the condition this world is in. But the good news is that God is going to restore the world. Also whosoever is willing, He will restore them.

 

[JohnR7]

Originally posted by Jerry Smith
I wish eternal life really was that easy.

There is nothing difficult, it is a free gift from God.

 

[JohnR7]

Originally posted by Nathan Poe
Too bad he ruined it for the rest of us. Think of all the scoffing I could do, given a few centuries...

We ruin it for ourselves. God gives everyone the choice if they want to eat from the tree of life or the tree of scoffers, err, I mean the tree of sin and death.

 

[JohnR7]

Originally posted by EPHRIAM777
Originally posted by JohnR7 [/i]

1, How long did Adam live in the Garden of Eden..? 

Genesis 5:3  And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth.

We know that Adam was out of the garden by the time he was 130 years old. Most likely he spent his first 100 years in the garden.

 

[ifriit]

JohnR7: There is nothing difficult, it is a free grift from God.

(emphasis mine)
Freudian slip?

 

[Athlon4all]

Ok, so you say it's true because the Bible says so. Ok...

Yep.

Second, wouldn't a "covenant" imply some kind of contract or mutual agreement? I don't recall Adam getting much oppertunity to negotiate. This was more of a divine mandate than a covenant.

True, but that doesn't change what its saying.

And are you going to sit there that sin literally leads to physical death? Then what did Noah and Methuselah eventually do after their 900+ years to deserve death?

They sinned all their lives, just like every single human being that has ever lived has. There is no remedy for Physical Death. Only Christ (or atoning sacrifices for the OT) can remedy spiritual Death in Hell. The LORD decided to take them when He did. God does have a Will for every persons lives and he wanted Noah to live 900 years.

 

[JohnR7]

Originally posted by ifriit
Freudian slip?

Must be, I do not have any other explaination for it.

 

[LewisWildermuth]

Originally posted by JohnR7
Genesis 3:17-19 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; [18] Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; [19] In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.


 

This is just saying that thorns and thistles will appear in the fields where man is trying to grow something else, I asked where it said that there were none in the Garden of Eden like you implied, not where they were used as a curse.

 

[LewisWildermuth]

Originally posted by JohnR7
All of creation has fallen away from God. I would not even be a Christian if I did not grieve over the condition this world is in. But the good news is that God is going to restore the world. Also whosoever is willing, He will restore them.

Rocks and plants have no will so they cannot fall away, they can only be pushed away by something that has a will.