Adam & Eve Materialized on Evolved, Populated Earth

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are you quoting from the "Urantia " book?

That book denies the blood of Jesus and speaks of many other strange unbiblical things, Lanadek orders, mansion worlds, though adjusters etc, Some strange talks from Satan and other beings. Questionable things that apparently Jesus said.

run from that book

I believe it denies the fall of man, and preaches an evolution instead

denies the doctrine of the atonement Christ made for our sins.

It is another gospel warned of by Paul.

Denies the doctrine of hell

they teach a sort of spiritual evolution after we die
No, not exactly, you are reposting UB critics. You haven’t read the UB.

Paul taught his own gospel. Jesus taught a gospel long before the tragic rejection and cross. Had the Jews accepted the original gospel, they would be preaching it today from Jerusalem.

We now have the entire story if the life of the Son of God in the UB.

This thread is about the evolution of life on earth.
 
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No, not exactly, you are reposting UB critics. You haven’t read the UB.

Paul taught his own gospel. Jesus taught a gospel long before the tragic rejection and cross. Had the Jews accepted the original gospel, they would be preaching it today from Jerusalem.

We now have the entire story if the life of the Son of God in the UB.

This thread is about the evolution of life on earth.
I have read that book, large parts of it about 30 years ago, i saw it as error, great error

and Peter and paul preached the same gospel.
 
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No, not exactly, you are reposting UB critics. You haven’t read the UB.

Paul taught his own gospel. Jesus taught a gospel long before the tragic rejection and cross. Had the Jews accepted the original gospel, they would be preaching it today from Jerusalem.

We now have the entire story if the life of the Son of God in the UB.

This thread is about the evolution of life on earth.
creatures dont evolve to a state where they finally can be enlightened. The UB is great error
 
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No, not exactly, you are reposting UB critics. You haven’t read the UB.

Paul taught his own gospel. Jesus taught a gospel long before the tragic rejection and cross. Had the Jews accepted the original gospel, they would be preaching it today from Jerusalem.

We now have the entire story if the life of the Son of God in the UB.

This thread is about the evolution of life on earth.
I use to sit in UB meetings in homes and for some reason i always brought my Bible. God was protecting me even way back then
 
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Paul taught Christ and him crucified. Jesus taught the gospel of the kingdom of heaven.
they are connected. In the Ot they had types of the gospel, with animal sacrifices, Abraham the father offering his only begotten son etc. But Paul also preached about the kingdom of God.

Jesus told men to hunger and thirst after righteousness and they shall be filled. This righteousness is God's righteousness and it was witness by the law and the prophets and the gospel of Jesus Christ now reveals the righteousness of God.

The gospel is according to the OT scriptures as Paul said in 1 Cor 15.

And all OT saints were able to have the free gift given to them even before Jesus Died on the cross but it was only through His work on the cross in time that they were able to have that.
 
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no they didn't

for some reason you believe the UB book over the bible, and the spirits that write it?

Paul warned if even an angel from heaven was to preach another gospel don't listen, they are accursed
 
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Paul taught Christ and him crucified. Jesus taught the gospel of the kingdom of heaven.
Jesus said, before His death

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Matthew 20:19
And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again."

Mark 10:34
And they shall mock him, and shall scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and the third day he shall rise again."

Luke 18:33
And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again."

Luke 24:7
Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.

and the gospel is

1 Corinthians 15:3,4
"For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that
Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
 
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Jesus taught his gospel, the Jews largely rejected it.

Let’s keep the thread on topic. Evolution.
everything reproduces after its kind its seed is in itself. There is no mid transitional forms

its just as the bible said.

and in literal 7 days
 
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Jesus said, before His death

"
Matthew 20:19
And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again."

Mark 10:34
And they shall mock him, and shall scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and the third day he shall rise again."

Luke 18:33
And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again."

Luke 24:7
Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.

and the gospel is

1 Corinthians 15:3,4
"For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that
Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

This is the theistic evolution thread.
 
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I believe that the pinnacle of creation is man. The souls of animals are made through earthly processes I think that all life on earth evolved towards the purpose of producing an animal with a soul with the emotive powers that modern humans have. When the earth finished the work God could infuse it with the spiritual powers of intellect. I think animal life is 'in' human life and plant animal souls, all animal life, as one soul is the essence of the human /beast soul before intellect. That is why Adam could name the animals. The essence of all animal life was in Adam So Adam using a mode of knowing essence saw each animal entire all that is essential to being that animal Adam saw. I have a theory of my own that explains a progression using types. Gen 1 as a population of modern humans befrore intellect. Male female identified as man or Adam. No command is given but one that they woulod naturally fulfill any way. be fruitfull and multiply. Nothing that would exercise a power of intellect. They are Adam and Adam is them. All of them as one is Adam and Adam is in them. When they reach a perfection as an entire race that as one they can be self aware, they have lifted human nature to a perfection that as one man would be able to receive the intellect. I'm thinking a kind of identity as one people that had to develop not intellect but collecticve identity as one species. Every individual knew the other in a way they didn't before. A loss of a sense of 'otherness' they evolved. They are Adam as one man. male female in the image and likeness of God. With the animal soul perfected a special act of God a type of incarnation Gen 1 ends Gen 2 begins. An immaculate conception of Man or Adam.The immortal conception Son of Man. Adam in Paradise. Eve hasn't been taken out of man.
 
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if anyone here understands a little about Aristotelean philosophical terms I know a theory of evolution. that makes theological sense. Everything we see and touch. everything we recieve from our senses are accidents that don't really exist with out the framework of that supports it called 'substance'. The substance is not detectable.

Science doesn't know the substance if material things it can only study the accidents. Accidents are what is not essential to your being. They change. Your cells Hair, your entire body is not the same as the body that was you 7 years ago. When you were three that body isn't the body you have now. But you are still you. So your body at three years was not essential to your being. What is known by the senses are the accidents and what is substantial gives a framework of support that the accident require to exist. The soul is the substance of the body and the body is accidents of the soul. So, animals that we see with our senses is the accidents of their soul. The substance is known by intellect The intellect of an angel would know the essence or substance of a thing.

Remember that and imagine that the substance of life on earth is not known by the senses but intellect.The souls of animals are made by material processes. So they are produced in time that is linear. Plants algae, all that have souls. the substance of algae is not the accidents we sense. So imagine these two realms of life evolving on earth . the substance known only through intellect and the accidents known by the senses. All animal souls are made in time that is linear. But the intellect of Adam is not made by material processes. It is created by God and needs no organ in the body to operate it's powers The pinnacle of life on earth is Adam. All life on earth evolved towards a goal not known by the senses.

A key concept now---For a lower state of life to elevate A higher state of life must lift it up.

substance and Nature are almost the same. But the Nature of man is a body and soul. Human Nature is incomplete if either is missing. But nature is not an accident. It is not apprehended by the senses. Nature for man is a union of material and spiritual substance. The material substance is not known by the senses but is known by it's accidents. the senses apprehend the accidents. Our bodies are known because our senses apprehend it's accidents which are in continuous state of change.so not essential to our 'being'In this is a theory of evolution. Theistic evolution I hope I am making this theory understandable
 
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Hi Eloy, that's interesting, I think you touched on some truth. Indeed all living things are responsive at some level with the spirit, with spirit gravity. It's true that the higher minds are influenced by the 7 spirits of God depending on the level of intelligence.

"The seven adjutant mind-spirits are the creation of the Divine Minister of a local universe. These mind-spirits are similar in character but diverse in power, and all partake alike of the nature of the Universe Spirit, although they are hardly regarded as personalities apart from their Mother Creator. The seven adjutants have been given the following names: the spirit of wisdom, the spirit of worship, the spirit of counsel, the spirit of knowledge, the spirit of courage, the spirit of understanding, the spirit of intuition—of quick perception.

34:4.11 These are the “seven spirits of God,” “like lamps burning before the throne,” which the prophet saw in the symbols of vision. But he did not see the seats of the four and twenty sentinels about these seven adjutant mind-spirits. This record represents the confusion of two presentations, one pertaining to the universe headquarters and the other to the system capital. The seats of the four and twenty elders are on Jerusem, the headquarters of your local system of inhabited worlds.

34:4.12 But it was of Salvington that John wrote: “And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices"—the universe broadcasts to the local systems. He also envisaged the directional control creatures of the local universe, the living compasses of the headquarters world. This directional control in Nebadon is maintained by the four control creatures of Salvington, who operate over the universe currents and are ably assisted by the first functioning mind-spirit, the adjutant of intuition, the spirit of “quick understanding.” But the description of these four creatures—called beasts—has been sadly marred; they are of unparalleled beauty and exquisite form." UB
 
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In the UB Lucifer, and his assistant Satan, was a high administrator in the celestial world in the line of direct, delegated authority over the watchcare of our world (as well as many other inhabited worlds). He was a creation of the Son of God and under his authority.

500,000 years ago our Planitary Prince arrived as the representative, under Lucifer, of the spiritual government of Christ. His name was Caligastia. All went well for roughly 300,000 years until the catistrophic “Lucifer Rebellion”. “There was war in heaven”. Lucifer managed to enlist Satan and Caligastia, he drew away “a third of the stars” from many different orders of celestials.

There was pandemonium on earth! Rebel staff members of the Prince “mated with the daughters of men” in an attempt to increase their numbers. Loyalist took possession of the “tree of life”. Van, leader of the loyalist, lead the way for ages upon ages in anticipation of the arrival of Adam and Eve.

The reason that Genesis has unexplained fragments and inconsistencies is because the Israelites has no idea how old the earth was OR that there is an enormous pre-Adamic history of our world.

http://truthbook.com/urantia-book/paper-53-the-lucifer-rebellion
 
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If we consider old earth evolution as an established fact and return to the Genesis creation account of Adam and Eves abrupt materialization on earth, we can view the assumptions of Christendom differently.

Consider the following:


* Adam and Eve arrive as adults educated in Gods will for them on earth, they speak a language, the same language as the beast.

* The "crafty beast" or devil as we learn later, has already fallen into sin, he is already working against Gods will, working to undermine A&E. The beast knows Gods will for the pair.

* Cain and able tend "flocks" and "fields", how much food does a family need to work for in a tropical paradise??? They are making contributions to a religious order???

* When we consider that Cain is concerned about the people away from his family, in Nod or anywhere else, we can start to see signs that indicate the earth is already populated.

* As fragmented as the story is that the Hebrews were putting into the written word, we might consider that it was a very old story that had been carried by oral traditions through many cultures, wars etc.

There are signs that the earth had a population and that A & E were given a make-over in the Image of God.
 
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There are signs that the earth had a population and that A & E were given a make-over in the Image of God.
In the early 20th century, roughly 1911-1934, printed 1955, a new massive revelation occurred in the vicinity of Chicogo Illinois. We now have the general history of the earth, the evolution of life created on it, and the story of the celestial, spiritual administration that has governed it including (2) tragic defaults. The first rebellion/sin was deliberate occurring roughly 200,000 years ago. The second was a case of self will, brought on by the suductive, evil plan of the previously fallen prince known as “the crafty beast”
 
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8. CRUSTAL STABILIZATION - THE AGE OF EARTHQUAKES. THE WORLD OCEAN AND THE FIRST CONTINENT
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57:8.1 "1,000,000,000 years ago is the date of the actual beginning of Urantia history. The planet had attained approximately its present size. And about this time it was placed upon the physical registries of Nebadon and given its name, Urantia.

57:8.2 The atmosphere, together with incessant moisture precipitation, facilitated the cooling of the earth's crust. Volcanic action early equalized internal-heat pressure and crustal contraction; and as volcanoes rapidly decreased, earthquakes made their appearance as this epoch of crustal cooling and adjustment progressed.

57:8.3 The real geologic history of Urantia begins with the cooling of the earth's crust sufficiently to cause the formation of the first ocean. Water-vapor condensation on the cooling surface of the earth, once begun, continued until it was virtually complete. By the end of this period the ocean was world-wide, covering the entire planet to an average depth of over one mile. The tides were then in play much as they are now observed, but this primitive ocean was not salty; it was practically a fresh-water covering for the world. In those days, most of the chlorine was combined with various metals, but there was enough, in union with hydrogen, to render this water faintly acid.

57:8.4 At the opening of this faraway era, Urantia should be envisaged as a water-bound planet. Later on, deeper and hence denser lava flows came out upon the bottom of the present
Pacific Ocean, and this part of the water-covered surface became considerably depressed. The first continental land mass emerged from the world ocean in compensatory adjustment of the equilibrium of the gradually thickening earth's crust." UB 1955
 
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