Adam & Eve Materialized on Evolved, Populated Earth

[JackRT]

Actually proof is a vital part of science.

Proof is a valid concept only in mathematics and the distillation of alcohol. However, Mathematics is the language of science

Ever theory has to be demonstrated to weork, either mathmatically or practically.

Theories either work or they don't. They cannot be proven mathematically.

So most of your reply is nonsence.

I am a retired scientist, mathematician and educator. What is your background?

 

[Colter]

THE PLANETARY ADAMS

51:0.1 DURING THE DISPENSATION of a Planetary Prince, primitive man reaches the limit of natural evolutionary development, and this biologic attainment signals the System Sovereign to dispatch to such a world the second order of sonship, the biologic uplifters. These Sons, for there are two of them—the Material Son and Daughter—are usually known on a planet as Adam and Eve. The original Material Son of Satania is Adam, and those who go to the system worlds as biologic uplifters always carry the name of this first and original Son of their unique order.


51:0.2 These Sons are the material gift of the Creator Son to the inhabited worlds. Together with the Planetary Prince, they remain on their planet of assignment throughout the evolutionary course of such a sphere. Such an adventure on a world having a Planetary Prince is not much of a hazard, but on an apostate planet, a realm without a spiritual ruler and deprived of interplanetary communication, such a mission is fraught with grave danger.

Although you cannot hope to know all about the work of these Sons on all the worlds of Satania and other systems, other papers depict more fully the life and experiences of the interesting pair, Adam and Eve, who came from the corps of the biologic uplifters of Jerusem to upstep the Urantia races. While there was a miscarriage of the ideal plans for improving your native races, still, Adam’s mission was not in vain; Urantia has profited immeasurably from the gift of Adam and Eve, and among their fellows and in the councils on high their work is not reckoned as a total loss." UB

 

[DavidFirth]

The Bible canon, including Genesis, is absolute and inviolate. Any theory that contradicts or challenges one iota of God's word is just plain wrong.

Change your theory, don't try to make the Bible conform to your theory but rather conform your theories to the Bible. If it contradicts the Bible throw your theory out because it's wrong.

 

[JackRT]

The Bible canon, including Genesis, is absolute and inviolate. Any theory that contradicts or challenges one iota of God's word is just plain wrong.

Change your theory, don't try to make the Bible conform to your theory but rather conform your theories to the Bible. If it contradicts the Bible throw your theory out because it's wrong.

I have given myself permission to consider the Bible objectively and to draw my own conclusions about the bible and the doctrines that allegedly flow from it.

 

[sfs]

The Bible canon, including Genesis, is absolute and inviolate.

What is the basis for this claim?

 

[Colter]

The Bible canon, including Genesis, is absolute and inviolate. Any theory that contradicts or challenges one iota of God's word is just plain wrong.

Change your theory, don't try to make the Bible conform to your theory but rather conform your theories to the Bible. If it contradicts the Bible throw your theory out because it's wrong.

Those who wrote, redacted and rewrote the Bible books made no such claim. It was later generations of the elite, educated priest class that relied on the false doctrine of the inspiration of the scriptures for their authority. The "written word" differs from the Living Word. One is man made and the other Divine.

 

[Tolworth John]

Evolution works. That's why scientists accept it.

Ok if it in your words works, pleas provide evidence of evolution working.
Please note I am not refering to examples of natural selection, but of evidence that a species is changing into another species.

 

[Tolworth John]

Proof is a valid concept only in mathematics and the distillation of alcohol. However, Mathematics is the language of science

Theories either work or they don't. They cannot be proven mathematically.

I am a retired scientist, mathematician and educator. What is your background?

Proof is something that demonstrates that something works.
Something that has to be done in the classroom, laboritory or law court.
Something evolution has not been shown to have done.

 

[Colter]

Ok if it in your words works, pleas provide evidence of evolution working.
Please note I am not refering to examples of natural selection, but of evidence that a species is changing into another species.

"Although the evolution of vegetable life can be traced into animal life, and though there have been found graduated series of plants and animals which progressively lead up from the most simple to the most complex and advanced organisms, you will not be able to find such connecting links between the great divisions of the animal kingdom nor between the highest of the prehuman animal types and the dawn men of the human races. These so-called "missing links" will forever remain missing, for the simple reason that they never existed.

From era to era radically new species of animal life arise. They do not evolve as the result of the gradual accumulation of small variations; they appear as full-fledged and new orders of life, and they appear suddenly.

The sudden appearance of new species and diversified orders of living organisms is wholly biologic, strictly natural. There is nothing supernatural connected with these genetic mutations." UB 1955

[Presented by a member of the Urantia Life Carrier Corps now resident on the planet.]

 

[Tolworth John]

The sudden appearance of new species and diversified orders of living organisms is wholly biologic, strictly natural. There is nothing supernatural connected with these genetic mutations

Please could you explain how the sudden appearance of a new form of life is natural, that it involved mutations and that how it is known that there was nothing supernatural connected with this sudden appearance of life?

 

[Colter]

Please could you explain how the sudden appearance of a new form of life is natural, that it involved mutations and that how it is known that there was nothing supernatural connected with this sudden appearance of life?

Yes, it's an inherent quality of life, programed in by the creator of life.

 

[Tolworth John]

Yes, it's an inherent quality of life, programed in by the creator of life.

In other words life is caused by the supernatural action of God and evolution has nothing to do with it.

 

[sfs]

Ok if it in your words works, pleas provide evidence of evolution working.
Please note I am not refering to examples of natural selection, but of evidence that a species is changing into another species.

Evolution works because it lets us predict what we'll see in new data. One example among many: common descent means that all of the genetic differences between two species (e.g. humans and chimpanzees) are the result of accumulated mutation -- something that would not be true if they were separately created.

That means the differences should look like mutations. And they do. I've written up some of what that means in genetic terms here.

 

[Colter]

To God nothing is “supernatural”. That concept is a construct of man who is vastly ignorant of what goes on beyond our senses.

Life evolved from primitive life forms that were created and planted in the shallow briny seas, up to life as we know it today. Earth has been host to many epochs of life over hundreds of millions of years. Will conscious man “suddenly” appeared roughly 1 million years ago.

 

[Tolworth John]

Evolution works because it lets us predict what we'll see in new data. One example among many: common descent means that all of the genetic differences between two species (e.g. humans and chimpanzees) are the result of accumulated mutation -- something that would not be true if they were separately created.

That means the differences should look like mutations. And they do. I've written up some of what that means in genetic terms here.

Ok you have just said that you can predict how mutations will work.
So you can lookat an animal and say how random mutation will affect that animals descendants!

Your words "Evolution works because it lets us predict what we'll see in new data."

I am sorry to tell you that is nonsence.

 

[Tolworth John]

Life evolved from primitive life forms

Evidence please.

What you have said is fact free faith.

 

[Colter]

Evidence please.

What you have said is fact free faith.

In the arena of scientific observation, we observe the remains of simpler life forms in the older strata and the more complex life forms in the later.

 

[sfs]

Ok you have just said that you can predict how mutations will work.

No, I said that we can predict that genetic differences between species will look like mutations. They do.

So you can lookat an animal and say how random mutation will affect that animals descendants!

No, I can't do that and didn't say I could do that. What exactly is the point of inventing and rebutting arguments I didn't make?

Your words "Evolution works because it lets us predict what we'll see in new data."

Right. Unlike your attempted paraphrases, that is what I said. Now, did you read the account I linked to? Do you have any response to what I actually argued? Do you have alternative explanation for the data I presented? Can you make similar predictions? In short, are you able to engage in a meaningful discussion of this topic?

I am sorry to tell you that is nonsence.

What exactly is your expertise in genetics, again?

 

[Colter]

Urantia revelation:

THE LIFE CARRIERS

"LIFE DOES NOT originate spontaneously. Life is constructed according to plans formulated by the (unrevealed) Architects of Being and appears on the inhabited planets either by direct importation or as a result of the operations of the Life Carriers of the local universes. These carriers of life are among the most interesting and versatile of the diverse family of universe Sons. They are intrusted with designing and carrying creature life to the planetary spheres. And after planting this life on such new worlds, they remain there for long periods to foster its development."

LIFE TRANSPLANTATION

"When, in accordance with approved formulas, the physical patterns have been provided, then do the Life Carriers catalyze this lifeless material, imparting through their persons the vital spirit spark; and forthwith do the inert patterns become living matter.

"The vital spark—the mystery of life—is bestowed through the Life Carriers, not by them. They do indeed supervise such transactions, they formulate the life plasm itself, but it is the Universe Mother Spirit who supplies the essential factor of the living plasm. From the Creative Daughter of the Infinite Spirit comes that energy spark which enlivens the body and presages the mind."


THE LIFE-DAWN ERA

58:4.1 "That we are called Life Carriers should not confuse you. We can and do carry life to the planets, but we brought no life to Urantia. Urantia life is unique, original with the planet. This sphere is a life-modification world; all life appearing hereon was formulated by us right here on the planet; and there is no other world in all Satania, even in all Nebadon, that has a life existence just like that of Urantia.

550,000,000 years ago the Life Carrier corps returned to Urantia. In co-operation with spiritual powers and superphysical forces we organized and initiated the original life patterns of this world and planted them in the hospitable waters of the realm. All planetary life (aside from extraplanetary personalities) down to the days of Caligastia, the Planetary Prince, had its origin in our three original, identical, and simultaneous marine-life implantations. These three life implantations have been designated as: the central or Eurasian-African, the eastern or Australasian, and the western, embracing Greenland and the Americas.

 

[LoveofTruth]

Urantia revelation:

THE LIFE CARRIERS

"LIFE DOES NOT originate spontaneously. Life is constructed according to plans formulated by the (unrevealed) Architects of Being and appears on the inhabited planets either by direct importation or as a result of the operations of the Life Carriers of the local universes. These carriers of life are among the most interesting and versatile of the diverse family of universe Sons. They are intrusted with designing and carrying creature life to the planetary spheres. And after planting this life on such new worlds, they remain there for long periods to foster its development."

LIFE TRANSPLANTATION

"When, in accordance with approved formulas, the physical patterns have been provided, then do the Life Carriers catalyze this lifeless material, imparting through their persons the vital spirit spark; and forthwith do the inert patterns become living matter.

"The vital spark—the mystery of life—is bestowed through the Life Carriers, not by them. They do indeed supervise such transactions, they formulate the life plasm itself, but it is the Universe Mother Spirit who supplies the essential factor of the living plasm. From the Creative Daughter of the Infinite Spirit comes that energy spark which enlivens the body and presages the mind."


THE LIFE-DAWN ERA

58:4.1 "That we are called Life Carriers should not confuse you. We can and do carry life to the planets, but we brought no life to Urantia. Urantia life is unique, original with the planet. This sphere is a life-modification world; all life appearing hereon was formulated by us right here on the planet; and there is no other world in all Satania, even in all Nebadon, that has a life existence just like that of Urantia.

550,000,000 years ago the Life Carrier corps returned to Urantia. In co-operation with spiritual powers and superphysical forces we organized and initiated the original life patterns of this world and planted them in the hospitable waters of the realm. All planetary life (aside from extraplanetary personalities) down to the days of Caligastia, the Planetary Prince, had its origin in our three original, identical, and simultaneous marine-life implantations. These three life implantations have been designated as: the central or Eurasian-African, the eastern or Australasian, and the western, embracing Greenland and the Americas.

are you quoting from the "Urantia " book?

That book denies the blood of Jesus and speaks of many other strange unbiblical things, Lanadek orders, mansion worlds, though adjusters etc, Some strange talks from Satan and other beings. Questionable things that apparently Jesus said.

run from that book

I believe it denies the fall of man, and preaches an evolution instead

denies the doctrine of the atonement Christ made for our sins.

It is another gospel warned of by Paul.

Denies the doctrine of hell

they teach a sort of spiritual evolution after we die