Adam and Evolution: A Reconciliation

[Job 33:6]

Why did GOD create OLD (AGED) 'WINE' instead of new fresh wine ?

Because it tastes better. Does earth taste better if made to look old as well?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Because it tastes better. Does earth taste better if made to look old as well?

YHWH decided that. We don't/didn't.

 

[Job 33:6]

YHWH decided that. We don't/didn't.

Ok?

 

[4x4toy]

As always, i would say, provide the source and I will gladly talk about it.

I jumped the gun again and figured you knew tbh

 

[HeLeadethMe]

Why don't you already know about REDEMPTION ?
Being "Purchased" (every bit) by the BLOOD OF JESUS MESSIAH,
Being HIS already, TODAY, and forever since being Purchased by HIS BLOOD ?

No believer is supposed to continue looking at the world with carnal thoughts nor carnal worldly eyes - we alive in CHRIST see the invisible as JESUS says, by the FATHER'S GRACE in HEAVEN, REVEALED BY HIM to INFANTS in CHRIST, as this is HIS GOOD PLEASURE so to do.

p.s. I only got as far as "fallen eyes".... will go back and read the rest of the post now....

I dont' disagree brother.......but wish you had read my point before commenting.

It seems that it's ok to study Kent Hovind's science with the carnal mind but not conventional science...? He is using his carnal mind is he not, just arguing from another viewpoint. Wish somebody with discernment would go and discern the man...........as well as other aspects of his theology apart from the creation account. That's all I will say about that.

 

[HeLeadethMe]

That day is TODAY!
See this ALL THROUGH the New Testmant, the believers lives as described in all the Epistles(BIBLE, THE WORD OF GOD).

Not as if we have already made it to the end, no, but the freedom is much greater than most people ever hear, see or realize,
and
it is all clearly and plainly described by YHWH all through HIS WORD.

I enjoy what you are saying here. And this salvation, redemption is the most important thing, as Episcopal has reminded us. But even Paul sometimes spoke and reasoned as a man, did he not, in his letters? So I assume in some aspects of life too...?

 

[4x4toy]

I dont' disagree brother.......but wish you had read my point before commenting.

It seems that it's ok to study Kent Hovind's science with the carnal mind but not conventional science...? He is using his carnal mind is he not, just arguing from another viewpoint. Wish somebody with discernment would go and discern the man...........as well as other aspects of his theology apart from the creation account. That's all I will say about that.

I consider Kent as a dear brother in Christ and has led many more conversions to Jesus kingdom than probably all this thread combined .

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

But even Paul sometimes spoke and reasoned as a man, did he not, in his letters? So I assume in some aspects of life too...?

As someone REDEEMED,
as someone PURCHASED by the BLOOD of JESUS,
as someone called, chosen, born again, and set apart BY YHWH HIMSELF,
as someone taught by JESUS,
as someone for whom this is true: " Then opened HE their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,"
as someone ENTRUSTED (BY YHWH) with SCRIPTURE,
as someone LIVING IN THE SPIRIT (not in the flesh),
as someone WALKING IN THE LIGHT (not in darkness)...

plus much , much more.... beyond measure, with no limit....

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

He is using his carnal mind is he not, just arguing from another viewpoint. Wish somebody with discernment would go and discern the man..

Who is using his carnal mind?
Kent Hovind has been proven right in Christ over and over and over all the time.... in line with SCRIPTURE, ALL SCRIPTURE.....

 

[Job 33:6]

I jumped the gun again and figured you knew tbh

So do you have a source?

 

[effalo]

Well there are a few things Id say to that. First, what do you mean by good? Good in the sense of conducive as precedent conditions which sculpt the ecology and biodiversity of the earth in view of God's aim of manifesting his glory in the saga of human redemption, I certainly don't see why not. Beyond that there are certain assumptions hidden in your question. For example do animals experience pain like we do? One could argue that animals have physiological pain responses without actually having any conscious experience of pain. We can't know whether they have such conscious experience and to assume so would be to anthropormorphize. If they do not, then all the history of "death" and "suffering" involves nothing more than, in the broad scope of things, biological and physical processes.


What is this destruction you speak of? Are metor impacts and volcanic explosions intrinsically "bad" in the absense of consciously-experiencing pain and fear perceivers? As ive pointed out, there is no evidence that non-human animals qualify though appearance seems on the surface to indicate as much. Human beings, being spiritual beings as well as physical, may in fact be unique in terms of self-perceptive conscious experience. If what i'm saying is true, then destruction and animal death cannot be conceived of as intrinsically "bad" by any means.


Yes, human death, and more specifically, spiritual death. That is the obvious context of that passage in the book of Romans.

Hello ALoveDivine,

You ask,

First, what do you mean by good?

The word, “good” spoken of in the first chapter of Genesis has no qualifier. It means just that - the absence of anything bad.

You said,

Good in the sense of conducive as precedent conditions which sculpt the ecology and biodiversity of the earth in view of God's aim of manifesting his glory in the saga of human redemption.

As for the word redemption, man had not yet fallen in Genesis 1 to necessitate redemption. The good spoken of was prior to the need because of the fall.

In response to my question, “Where did death and destruction come from?,” You ask,

What is this destruction you speak of?

I spoke of all destruction. There was none prior to the fall of man. Death and destruction began as a result of the curse after Adam and Eve's sin and the consequent fall.

You ask,

For example do animals experience pain like we do?”

As for whether or not animals experience pain, I only know that the little puppy expresses his disapproval of pain by yelping. Wouldn’t you pity him? I tend to think that he consciously feels it. As for whether the dog has conscience or not, may I ask if he is conscience of a bone laid beside him while he is asleep? Wouldn't he grab the bone after he awoke to regain conscience? Doesn't he also remembers?

The difference between man and animals is that man is conscientiously aware of God.

ELD

 

[effalo]

Hello ALoveDivine,

You ask,

The word, “good” spoken of in the first chapter of Genesis has no qualifier. It means just that - the absence of anything bad.

You said,


As for the word redemption, man had not yet fallen in Genesis 1 to necessitate redemption. The good spoken of was prior to the need because of the fall.

In response to my question, “Where did death and destruction come from?,” You ask,


I spoke of all destruction. There was none prior to the fall of man. Death and destruction began as a result of the curse after Adam and Eve's sin and the consequent fall.

You ask,

As for whether or not animals experience pain, I only know that the little puppy expresses his disapproval of pain by yelping. Wouldn’t you pity him? I tend to think that he consciously feels it. As for whether the dog has conscience or not, may I ask if he is conscience of a bone laid beside him while he is asleep? Wouldn't he grab the bone after he awoke to regain conscience? Doesn't he also remembers?

The difference between man and animals is that man is conscientiously aware of God.

ELD

Is anyone still home?

 

[joshua 1 9]

My model does in fact affirm that Adam was the first man.

Adam was the first man and Eve was the first women. Before them you had male and female. They were the first husband and wife.

 

[JacksBratt]

Adam was the first man and Eve was the first women. Before them you had male and female. They were the first husband and wife.

??

 

[joshua 1 9]

??

There is a difference between a man and a male, a women and a female. No one seems to understand that. Most people do understand what it means to be born again and a new creation in Christ.

 

[JacksBratt]

There is a difference between a man and a male, a women and a female. No one seems to understand that. Most people do understand what it means to be born again and a new creation in Christ.

Ya, you lost me.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Ya, you lost me.

There is a difference between humans and animals. We are told that: "2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing;". That was when God took Adam and put Him in the Garden of Eden. This is when God made the first Women: 6,000 year ago. Even though the age we life in began around 12,900 years ago.

 

[JacksBratt]

There is a difference between humans and animals. We are told that: "2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing;". That was when God took Adam and put Him in the Garden of Eden. This is when God made the first Women: 6,000 year ago. Even though the age we life in began around 12,900 years ago.

So, Adam lived for how long before Eve was created from his rib?

OR

Adam is the evolved man of a line of sub man beings?

I think it's pretty clear that God created everything from stem to stern in 6 days and rested on the seventh. There was no 6900 years of life and death before man was arrived at.

 

[joshua 1 9]

I think it's pretty clear that God created everything from stem to stern in 6 days and rested on the seventh. There was no 6900 years of life and death before man was arrived at.

Just what part of science or history makes that clear to you? "It is finished" does not indicate how long it takes for God to do His work. Only that His work is finished at that point in time. In plants this is the time when they are whole complete and mature and they produce fruit. Jesus tells us if a tree does not produce fruit then it's only value is to be thrown into the fire and used as firewood.

 

[HighCherub]

I'm not an evolutionist, but I do believe that 'Adam' and 'Eve' aren't two specific people anymore than Satan is a serpent.

The Fall is much more reasonably understood by taking into account the sheer symbolism that brims with the passages.