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God cannot allow them to know "what" death is, without first showing them how death is. Their eating, and gaining of the knowledge of good and evil allowed them to therefore learn about death, for without eating of it, they would merely have lived forever.love&forgiveness said:i would think that God being the one who created their understanding , would be able to make them understand what He meant by death , even if we may not today.
He obviously didn't give them everything if there was something more to want.love&forgiveness said:they were ungrateful , greedy , unsatisfied - for He gave them everything and they still wanted more.
paul
Proper judging of choices are impossible to determine without previous experience to gain said knowledge as to the outcome's possibilites. They were basically children, but even endowed with the knowledge God gave them, they did not know right or wrong, good or evil. They were merely left to believe God was good and since he was good, all were good. There was no ideal of what is not good, since there were no consequences shown as to what would show itself as evil.love&forgiveness said:they were not kids they had knowledge, they just didn't have knowledge of good and evil.
it's hard for us to imagine life without good and evil,for we have no experince of that.
but they knew everything else just not good and evil.
they made the choice of the creature over the Creator.
who are we to question God.
Then why did they do it? Random act of stupidity or rebellion?love&forgiveness said:their minds were not polluted by sin like ours are , they had no reason to question the Almighty.
Well, obviously the serpent did not tell them, "If you do this, bad things will happen." And obviously, they had some reason to trust the serpent (or at least no reason not to).He gave them everything they needed , they didn't need to know of sin.
they only wanted it when they listened to satan for he is the deciever , and is the one to tempt you from God.
Like I said, the serpent must have made an attractive offer, otherwise you have to take the absurd position that they willingly chose to do something that they knew had undesirable consequences.who would you rather listen to and follow , one who gives you all things in perfection and a perfect life , or one who offers you an alternative to this , but as given you nothing?
I'm saying that I can't find any Scripture to support that idea. It looks like something that the church just made up, like losing years in purgatory by looking at "relics."what are you saying, that you don't believe the serpent was satan or at least possesed of satan?
My arguments are reasonable independent of any respect I might have for something I don't believe in.love&forgiveness said:this is my understanding maybe if you have no respect for God you can't understand.
Well, that's nice, but restating the problem as if it was somehow not a problem is not apologetics.God gave them love and they knew of His power God is the Almighty Creator to be given respect and to be worshiped and obeyed they went against the word of their Almighty God and believed the most subtil creature over Him
huh?Philosoft said:Well, that's nice, but restating the problem as if it was somehow not a problem is not apologetics.
stupidity,no they did not have this excuse,foolish maybe.Philosoft said:Then why did they do it? Random act of stupidity or rebellion?
Well, obviously the serpent did not tell them, "If you do this, bad things will happen." And obviously, they had some reason to trust the serpent (or at least no reason not to).
Like I said, the serpent must have made an attractive offer, otherwise you have to take the absurd position that they willingly chose to do something that they knew had undesirable consequences.
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