Abuse in a Christian relationship

[classicalhero]

The No True Christian™ argument may seem like it holds water here but what we need to remember is that this is the face these guys wear in public. Some of the worst abusers I've heard of were leaders in their church. Council presidents, church presidents, elders. So while most understand that Christians shouldn't abuse, people should also realize that being a Christian doesn't mean we aren't still sinners. Christians still sin. We still make mistakes. I don't know whether my ex really is a Christian or not. I hope he is, for his soul's sake. I know that his attitude wasn't Christ-like, but neither is mine on any given day.

The "No True Christian" argument is absolute BS. There are clear standards that Christians should be setting and if they fil to live up to them, then they are more than likely not a Christian.

 

[bhsmte]

The "No True Christian" argument is absolute BS. There are clear standards that Christians should be setting and if they fil to live up to them, then they are more than likely not a Christian.

What then, is the criteria, to declare someone "not a true Christian" based on their behavior?

 

[Inkachu]

That is one extreme example of cherry-picking scriptures and twisting them so severely that they make no sense. Thank God I'm not trapped in such a warped existence and false view of God and the Bible.

 

[cow451]

What then, is the criteria, to declare someone "not a true Christian" based on their behavior?

NTC if:

Vote Democrat
Agree with anything Obama
Watch any news but FoxRepublicanNews
You get the idea.....

 

[BL2KTN]

As for Genesis, Adam was created first and given the task of working the land. Eve was created as his "helpmate". They became equal as in "one flesh", complimenting each other with their differences. When they ate the fruit and sinned, then God said that the man would rule over the woman (Gen 3:16) and that has been a point of contention ever since.

I see, so women should be ruled over by men because a talking snake tricked a rib-woman and dirt-man into eating a magic fruit... as written by men who thought the sky was held up by mountains.

That's a greaaat reason.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

The "No True Christian" argument is absolute BS. There are clear standards that Christians should be setting and if they fil to live up to them, then they are more than likely not a Christian.

Then we ALL fail and none of us are Christians.

 

[Inkachu]

NTC if:

Vote Democrat
Agree with anything Obama
Watch any news but FoxRepublicanNews
You get the idea.....

That's baloney.

Sincerely,
Conservative Christian who doesn't think all other Christians have to be just like me; they need to be like Jesus.

 

[cow451]

That's baloney.

Sincerely,
Conservative Christian who doesn't think all other Christians have to be just like me; they need to be like Jesus.

Not in these parts (Bible Belt). You are an exception. "True" Christians are to "look the same, smell the same and taste the same". These forums are evidence.

 

[Inkachu]

Not in these parts (Bible Belt). You are an exception. "True" Christians are to "look the same, smell the same and taste the same". These forums are evidence.

Do we have a lot of Bible belters on this site?

 

[cow451]

Do we have a lot of Bible belters on this site?

In spirit if not in fact. No pun intended.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

That's baloney.

Sincerely,
Conservative Christian who doesn't think all other Christians have to be just like me; they need to be like Jesus.

Don't think for one second that liberals don't have their own version of NTC.

It's stupid.

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A True Christian is one who follows Christ. We are not perfect. Sinning doesn't make us non-Christians. It makes us humans in need of a savior.

My point, though, wasn't so much about NTC as it was the fact that while we can say a Christian shouldn't act like that, it's still the public persona that's out there. That's why so many televangelists get raked over the coals when they screw up.

It doesn't mean they're automatically not Christians either.

 

[Inkachu]

I agree, PW! It goes both ways. The problem is when we start demanding that other Christians be this or that. Present the truth from God's word in love and let Him handle the other person's conscience. We need to worry about ourselves a whole heck of a lot more than we worry about others.

 

[bhsmte]

Don't think for one second that liberals don't have their own version of NTC.

It's stupid.

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A True Christian is one who follows Christ. We are not perfect. Sinning doesn't make us non-Christians. It makes us humans in need of a savior.

My point, though, wasn't so much about NTC as it was the fact that while we can say a Christian shouldn't act like that, it's still the public persona that's out there. That's why so many televangelists get raked over the coals when they screw up.

It doesn't mean they're automatically not Christians either.

Ok, a true Christian follow Christ, I get that. Where does the line get drawn, to determine when a Christian is not following Christ, because all Christians are sinners right?

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Ok, a true Christian follow Christ, I get that. Where does the line get drawn, to determine when a Christian is not following Christ, because all Christians are sinners right?

we kinda don't get to draw that line.

We can tell a person they're doing something wrong, but ultimately whether they are a Christian or not is something that only God knows.

So the poster here who was saying that ex husband probably wasn't really a Christian shouldn't be saying things like that, for example. He has no idea. And if he's basing it off my ex's actions, then by that we all fail.

This probably isn't coming across correctly over the internet unfortunately.

 

[Inkachu]

Ok, a true Christian follow Christ, I get that. Where does the line get drawn, to determine when a Christian is not following Christ, because all Christians are sinners right?

"Following Christ" doesn't mean you never mess up. The characteristic of a "true Christian" should be that they are NEVER okay or comfortable with their sin, and they are constantly striving to turn away from it and overcome it. When a person is carrying on in sin, and justifying it and refusing to acknowledge it (ie, a porn user), that's when you can say that person is not following Christ.

 

[FreeSpirit74]

... but the very least we could do as a society is have everyone educated on what abuse exactly is. When the knowledge is out there, it may help someone's mind finally "click", and they may realize that they are being abused.

You can replace the word "abuse" with any one of a number of destructive behaviors that have a negative impact - drinking and driving, smoking, drugs, for example - all things about which "everybody" knows exactly what they are and the damage they cause. The common "knowledge" on the harm of those behaviors goes back decades. Doesn't stop people from engaging in those behaviors much to the detriment of themselves and all too often those around them. Any more than some women who have been abused proactively take the steps to get out of the situation.

And don't say "they don't have a choice." You always have a choice.

 

[Glass*Soul]

The "No True Christian" argument is absolute BS. There are clear standards that Christians should be setting and if they fil to live up to them, then they are more than likely not a Christian.

What are the clear standards?

 

[Glass*Soul]

Don't think for one second that liberals don't have their own version of NTC.

It's stupid.

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A True Christian is one who follows Christ. We are not perfect. Sinning doesn't make us non-Christians. It makes us humans in need of a savior.

My point, though, wasn't so much about NTC as it was the fact that while we can say a Christian shouldn't act like that, it's still the public persona that's out there. That's why so many televangelists get raked over the coals when they screw up.

It doesn't mean they're automatically not Christians either.

What does following Christ mean?

 

[PreachersWife2004]

What are the clear standards?

Be perfect like Christ.

 

[keith99]

Then we ALL fail and none of us are Christians.

If I had to pick some like to divide Christians fro posers I'd say it would be that they agree with the first part of your post and disagree with the second.

We all fail.

If they are Christian than both they and their God are working on that.

That does not mean the sinner is working on it every day, it just might mean his God is working on it every day.