Absurdities of so called science

[AV1611VET]

AV, a "minute" is both a unit of measuring time, and of measuring angle.

Ah --- now I see --- thank you for the clarification.

 

[BananaSlug]

"[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Geneva] and wine to those that be of heavy heart;[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Geneva]of melancholy dispositions, under gloomy apprehensions of things; pressed with the weight of their affliction and poverty: or, "bitter in soul" F9; such as God has dealt bitterly with, as Naomi says was her case, and therefore called her own name Marah, which signifies bitter; of such a sorrowful spirit, and one thus bitter in soul, was Hannah; and so Job, and others; persons in great affliction and distress, to whom life itself is bitter; see (Ruth 1:20) (1 Samuel 1:10) (Job 3:20) (10:1) ; now wine to such is very exhilarating and cheering; see (Judges 9:13) (Psalms 104:15) . "[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Geneva]http://www.studylight.org/com/geb/view.cgi?book=pr&chapter=31&verse=6[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Geneva]These days, I think morphine is used when people get near the end. But, apparently, what is meant is something a little more serious that a casual modern reading of beinng in 'sorrow'. So??[/FONT]

Well let's see. Alcohol is a depressant and the majority of doctors and people today would view giving alcohol to someone who is in "deep sorrow" a very bad idea.

http://depression.about.com/od/drugsalcohol/a/alcoholanddep.htm

http://psychcentral.com/lib/2008/why-alcohol-and-depression-dont-mix/

 

[dad]

Well let's see. Alcohol is a depressant and the majority of doctors and people today would view giving alcohol to someone who is in "deep sorrow" a very bad idea.

http://depression.about.com/od/drugsalcohol/a/alcoholanddep.htm

http://psychcentral.com/lib/2008/why-alcohol-and-depression-dont-mix/

No. A couple of points. First, the commentary I linked suggested extreme desperation, not what is now called 'depression'! Also, I would think it is supposed to apply to godly men. Maybe most believed way back then. So, if you are talking stark, raving unbelievers, with some ups and downs, on drugs, most likely, no, I would not say that that bible adage applies!

 

[BananaSlug]

“Wine is a mocker, beer is a brawler, and whoever staggers because of them is not wise” (Proverbs 20:1).

“Listen, my son, and be wise; keep your mind on the right course. Don’t associate with those who drink too much wine” (Proverbs 23:19-20).

“And don’t get drunk with wine, which [leads to] reckless actions, but be filled with the Spirit” (Ephesians 5:18).

Belief in God has no dealing with how you behave while drunk. Many Godly men behave like depraved lunatics while under the influence of alcohol. No good doctor would recommend alcohol to someone suffering from severe depression. The Bible is wrong in that aspect.

 

[dad]

“Wine is a mocker, beer is a brawler, and whoever staggers because of them is not wise” (Proverbs 20:1).

“Listen, my son, and be wise; keep your mind on the right course. Don’t associate with those who drink too much wine” (Proverbs 23:19-20).

“And don’t get drunk with wine, which [leads to] reckless actions, but be filled with the Spirit” (Ephesians 5:18).

Belief in God has no dealing with how you behave while drunk. Many Godly men behave like depraved lunatics while under the influence of alcohol. No good doctor would recommend alcohol to someone suffering from severe depression. The Bible is wrong in that aspect.

That is about like saying doctors recommend morphine. Their seriousness is the issue here. You seem to trivialize that, to try to make the bible a silly thing. God fearing men that are ready to perish may have a wee sip. Get over it. The drug dealing, homo promoting, deviant, half nuts blathering godless psycho babble wizards have no clue at all, they are likely totally cracked, as not. Any more questions?

 

[MoonLancer]

what if they are an alcoholic. should they have that wee sip?

 

[BananaSlug]

That is about like saying doctors recommend morphine. Their seriousness is the issue here. You seem to trivialize that, to try to make the bible a silly thing. God fearing men that are ready to perish may have a wee sip. Get over it. The drug dealing, homo promoting, deviant, half nuts blathering godless psycho babble wizards have no clue at all, they are likely totally cracked, as not. Any more questions?

I'm not talking about pain-killers for those on their death bed. I am talking about giving alcohol to those who are in "deep sorrow." Giving alcohol to those with depression (deep sorrow) is not a good idea and it will never be a good idea no matter what the Bible says! Alcohol for depression is not and will never be a good idea.

I'm sure your doctor(s) would love to hear the fact that you call them "drug-dealing, homo-promoting, deviant, half-nuts blathering godless psycho-babble wizards."

 

[dad]

what if they are an alcoholic. should they have that wee sip?

If they are ready to die, maybe. We are not talking booze it up over a picnic here. The bible is great, and the drugs, and wacko advice of the would be know it alls, is foolish.

 

[dad]

I'm not talking about pain-killers for those on their death bed. I am talking about giving alcohol to those who are in "deep sorrow." Giving alcohol to those with depression (deep sorrow) is not a good idea and it will never be a good idea no matter what the Bible says! Alcohol for depression is not and will never be a good idea.

I'm sure your doctor(s) would love to hear the fact that you call them "drug-dealing, homo-promoting, deviant, half-nuts blathering godless psycho-babble wizards."

There is your misconception, ..defining deep sorrow as 'depression' in a modern sense. No. Don't think so. Look at the Prozac, and vast array of drugs these insane quacks dish out, and take themselves, for no good reason!! Look at the homo stuff they justify, and all the rest of their packaged bill of goods! I have no respect for the so called profession at all. Have they traded lobotomy, and electric shock therapy for heavier drugs, and ATD? They would deny a spirit, if it spun a head of a 'patient', and spit in their drugged out little beady eye.

 

[Hespera]

Originally Posted by dad

That is about like saying doctors recommend morphine. Their seriousness is the issue here. You seem to trivialize that, to try to make the bible a silly thing. God fearing men that are ready to perish may have a wee sip. Get over it. The drug dealing, homo promoting, deviant, half nuts blathering godless psycho babble wizards have no clue at all, they are likely totally cracked, as not. Any more questions?



A reasonable question might be, what are you going to do when you get appendicitis?

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[thaumaturgy]

Since I speak so as that usually a high school student should get most of it, that is not a worry, Nat.

You mean like this?

That would only apply in the present universe, one would assume that the SN originated in the former state, or at least the changing universe process.

OK. So, W is the will of God. X is one star, and Y is another. And FL is the former light speed.

X x FL divided by W = W FL
Y x FL divided by W = W FL
W FL x W = W FL
If W = Y FL, and W = X FL, and X does not = Y then either speed is W. (even if different)

(HINT: Most high schoolers got introduced to algebra in junior high.)

 

[thaumaturgy]

The drug dealing, homo promoting, deviant, half nuts blathering godless psycho babble wizards have no clue at all, they are likely totally cracked, as not. Any more questions?

There is your misconception, ..defining deep sorrow as 'depression' in a modern sense. No. Don't think so. Look at the Prozac, and vast array of drugs these insane quacks dish out, and take themselves, for no good reason!! Look at the homo stuff they justify, and all the rest of their packaged bill of goods! I have no respect for the so called profession at all. Have they traded lobotomy, and electric shock therapy for heavier drugs, and ATD? They would deny a spirit, if it spun a head of a 'patient', and spit in their drugged out little beady eye.

Dad, I am being quite serious here and I hope, for the sake of everything you are, that you never have to suffer clinical depression. I hope you never need the medications because I GUARANTEE YOU if it gets bad enough even you would claw your way through a brick wall using the bleeding stumps of your fingers to get whatever relief is available.

Believe me when I say this.

And in all honestly I don't find psychotherapy all that wonderful for me, but it helps some folks. It has its place. It may not be for you, but do be thankful that it's out there not only for the ultimate day when you may need it but also for those who need it for themselves.

The same goes for religion! I think people should be able to keep their religious faith (as long as they don't force it on others), if it brings them peace and some comfort.

When you spew your bile like this:

The drug dealing, homo promoting, deviant, half nuts ...they are likely totally cracked, as not.

Tthese insane quacks ...the homo stuff they justify, and all the rest of their packaged bill of goods! I have no respect for the so called profession at all.

is it bringing you "comfort"?

 

[dad]

You mean like this?

Where the will of God is concerned, and the former universe laws, and the way light works there, of course it is not equal. That, I think should be evident to an elementary school child. All things are not equal, and all things are not relegated, or relative to just the fishbowl. Of course.
If you want to neuter all numbers, and never have them merge with the reality outside the present state box, then, it would all be foolishness to you. Only the things of the bowl and the box would belong to your belief based, biased, belligerent, and bogus bible bashing blather.Your numbers add up only to a limited perspective.

 

[ragarth]

Where the will of God is concerned, and the former universe laws, and the way light works there, of course it is not equal. That, I think should be evident to an elementary school child. All things are not equal, and all things are not relegated, or relative to just the fishbowl. Of course.
If you want to neuter all numbers, and never have them merge with the reality outside the present state box, then, it would all be foolishness to you. Only the things of the bowl and the box would belong to your belief based, biased, belligerent, and bogus bible bashing blather.Your numbers add up only to a limited perspective.

Don't you mean the simultaneous, 4-day timecube?

1 = 1 is the identity property, it's fundamental to mathematics, to say 1 = 2 is to break the identity property and invalidate your equation. This is the underpinning of the other properties, and why:

4 / 3 + 2 != 4 / (3 + 2)

remember your order of operations!

 

[dad]

Dad, I am being quite serious here and I hope, for the sake of everything you are, that you never have to suffer clinical depression. I hope you never need the medications because I GUARANTEE YOU if it gets bad enough even you would claw your way through a brick wall using the bleeding stumps of your fingers to get whatever relief is available.

Believe me when I say this.

And in all honestly I don't find psychotherapy all that wonderful for me, but it helps some folks. It has its place. It may not be for you, but do be thankful that it's out there not only for the ultimate day when you may need it but also for those who need it for themselves.

The same goes for religion! I think people should be able to keep their religious faith (as long as they don't force it on others), if it brings them peace and some comfort.

Well, if you want to talk extreme cases, fine. But the problem is, kids in school stuffed with Ritalin for a made up disease are perfectly fine, for the most part. It is the education system that needs medication. And there are hordes of other so called sicknesses, that a sugar pill would likely do better than paying some godless head picker good money to cure.

When we get to the case of real severe mental illness, or even the possessed, criminally insane, etc, yes, we need people that can subdue and control them.

In these cases, obviously drugs are involved, and often many different ones. I would not give drink to those people, nor would Solomon, that is silly.

If we are talking a drug free believer, at the point of life and death serious crisis, I think drink may be fine. Unless there is a lot of physical pain, and then, you might need the drugs, that they never used to have, instead.

If there are no drugs, why maybe a wee snort might be in order. The bible was right. All we need is context.

 

[dad]

Don't you mean the simultaneous, 4-day timecube?

No, never heard of it.

1 = 1 is the identity property, it's fundamental to mathematics, to say 1 = 2 is to break the identity property and invalidate your equation. This is the underpinning of the other properties, ...

No! 1 does not equal 1 when we take one, for example property of this state, and compare it to one in the eternal state! Light speed, in a unit like a light year in the present has no counterpart in the true state, so your baby math must be relegated to the present only fishbowl! Thanks for the example.

 

[dad]

A reasonable question might be, what are you going to do when you get appendicitis?

( the iggy feature doesnt work when the quotation is in someone else's post)

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Do you really think that the bible verse someone raised had anything to do with that??? Try to focus, even on the bits you don't iggy.

 

[ragarth]

No, never heard of it.


No! 1 does not equal 1 when we take one, for example property of this state, and compare it to one in the eternal state! Light speed, in a unit like a light year in the present has no counterpart in the true state, so your baby math must be relegated to the present only fishbowl! Thanks for the example.

So, you're comparing the laws of physics in our universe to the laws of physics in a hypothetical alternate state of reality? Isn't that comparing apples and oranges?

1 apple != 1 orange, therefore math built upon this premise will fail.
If apple is representative of our universe, and orange is representative of your 'higher state' then math is preserved in this higher state if we say:

1 orange = 1 orange

So the confusion over all this is that you're comparing apples to oranges.

 

[BananaSlug]

http://psychcentral.com/lib/2008/why-alcohol-and-depression-dont-mix/

http://www.brighteyecounselling.co.uk/alcohol-drugs/alcohol-makes-depression-even-worse/

This is all I have left to say. Anybody else with a sane mind will hopefully realize to never give alcohol to anybody suffering from any sort of depression. Do not believe the crap that some people spew on here, "giving wine to those in deep sorrow" is wrong and all the evidence shows it is a bad idea.

 

[AV1611VET]

http://psychcentral.com/lib/2008/why-alcohol-and-depression-dont-mix/This is all I have left to say. Anybody else with a sane mind will hopefully realize to never give alcohol to anybody suffering from any sort of depression. Do not believe the crap that some people spew on here, "giving wine to those in deep sorrow" is wrong and all the evidence shows it is a bad idea.

FWIW --- I agree.