Absurdities of so called science

[dad]

The whole passage clearly prophesied the sack and complete destruction of Tyre by Nebuchadnezzar. However, the vivid description of the sack and fall of Tyre never happened. After a siege of thirteen years, until 573BC, Nebuchadnezzar lifted his siege on Tyre and had to arrive at a compromised agreement. Thus Nebuchadnezzar did not destroy Tyre. Tyre was destroyed by Alexander the Great, 240 years later. And furthermore, despite the prophet, the city of Tyre was eventually rebuilt.

Google. Don't cry.

In prophesy, if you ever learn how it is given, and works, we often find that we jump from a local situation into the future. Itwas Alexandar that was to scrape. If you doubt it, read it, and get back to us with specifics, if you need further enlightenment.

Of course the bible is bang on.

 

[dad]

1. Nebuchadnezzar would attack Tyre (v. 7-11)
2. The city would be destroyed (v. 8-12)
3. The rocks would be scraped into the sea (v. 4)
4. Many nations would fight against the city (v. 3)
5. Fisherman would spread their nets on the city (v. 5, 14)
6. It would never be rebuilt (v. 14)

The middle east is absolutely littered with the ruins of cities and empires. Pick one; predict its ruin; be a propher.

The Nile, like all rivers will go dry and disappear some day. Rivers are pretty ephemeral in a geological sense. Waiting for that one to go dry and fulfill a prophesy will be pretty boring.

I dont see any claim of biblical prophesy that is any better than nostradamus' predicitons. Vague, no time frame, and open to any interpretation.

In any case prophesy and its fulfillment seems contrary to the whole bit about how you have to have faith.

Evidence of flood carefully erased, no miracles performed anymore, etc etc...i if miracles and prophecy was done you dont need faith, or so I am told. is that so?

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There are many ruins, but not ones that were foretold long before they got ruined, with specifics! Like the destruction of Jerusalem, the captivity, how it would last 70 years, etc. In the case of Tyre, can you name say, ten cities that were scraped clean!!? No? How about 3? One? Paleeeese. If you are unaware of the majestic, specifics prophesied in the bible, just admit it.

 

[Hespera]

Tyre was "scraped clean"? Why dont you look on google images and see how it looks. Ancient Tyre still looks pretty good to me. Some of those ancient cities you can hardly find anything.

Quote, "dad">>>>>>>>>>"No? How about 3? One? Paleeeese. If you are unaware of the majestic, specifics prophesied in the bible, just admit it.<<<<<

Do you feel it serves some effective rhetorical purpose to be sarcastic? It sure does not impress me.

Nor does Pospophy, which is what we now will call prophesy predicting things after they happen.

 

[gaara4158]

There are many ruins, but not ones that were foretold long before they got ruined, with specifics! Like the destruction of Jerusalem, the captivity, how it would last 70 years, etc. In the case of Tyre, can you name say, ten cities that were scraped clean!!? No? How about 3? One? Paleeeese. If you are unaware of the majestic, specifics prophesied in the bible, just admit it.

Was Tyre ever rebuilt? Yes?
uh oh...

 

[gaara4158]

In prophesy, if you ever learn how it is given, and works, we often find that we jump from a local situation into the future. Itwas Alexandar that was to scrape. If you doubt it, read it, and get back to us with specifics, if you need further enlightenment.

Of course the bible is bang on.

I know exactly how it's "given." It was clearly supposed to be Nebuchadnezzar doing the scraping, and yet it was Alexander. Furthermore, it was never supposed to be rebuilt, and... well... the ruins still look pretty good.

 

[dad]

Tyre was "scraped clean"? Why dont you look on google images and see how it looks. Ancient Tyre still looks pretty good to me. Some of those ancient cities you can hardly find anything.

Why don't you dig into where it actually was? Not just a superficial view of some ruins that might be called something?

Do you feel it serves some effective rhetorical purpose to be sarcastic? It sure does not impress me.

The object of emphasizing your flaw in reasoning was not to impress you. It was for contrast, and highlight.

Nor does Pospophy, which is what we now will call prophesy predicting things after they happen.

You first need to know when it was predicted, and you don't, do you? Some may chose to embrace a doubting, baseless version of dates, but that fross quickly burns away, when we put the heat on. I kid you not.

 

[gaara4158]

Why don't you dig into where it actually was? Not just a superficial view of some ruins that might be called something?

Is it Truly in Scotland?

 

[Nathan Poe]

In prophesy, if you ever learn how it is given, and works, we often find that we jump from a local situation into the future. Itwas Alexandar that was to scrape. If you doubt it, read it, and get back to us with specifics, if you need further enlightenment.

Of course the bible is bang on.

The Bible is "Bang on" if "Alexander" magically transforms into "Nebuchadnezzar."

Of course, once you allow yourself to change the names, why not change the places as well? How about the actual events?

 

[dad]

Was Tyre ever rebuilt? Yes?
uh oh...

Was it scraped? Yes. Ha ha. What was it rebuilt as? A proud world power, or a place to hang fishing nets!?

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1. Nebuchadnezzer would attack he attacked three years after Ezekiel's
This was predicted in 590 b.C. Nebuchadnezzar laid siege to Tyre four years after the prophecy was made. After a 13 year siege (586-573 b.C.). The mainland city was destroyed in 573 b.C. as foretold, but the island city of Tyre still remained.
2. The city would be destroyed
It cannot be found today. Old Tyre is gone and we can only find evidence of it by digging down.
3. The rocks would be scraped into the sea...
4. Many nations would fight against the city
A succession of invaders came to attack Tyre over many years, such as Nebuchadnezzar, Alexander, Moslems, and Crusaders. Look also at the list of those that supplied ships in Alexander's siege.
5. Fisherman would spread their nets on the city
Now it is a fishing village and fishermen today dry their nets on the rocks of old mainland Tyre.
6. It would never be rebuilt
Not at least to it's former glory. The fishing village can barely count. Old Tyre has been bare as a rock for 2500 years as God said, even though 10 million gallons of fresh water supply the site daily with enough water for a city. The city has not been rebuilt even today.


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Absolutely astounding. Thanks for that.

 

[dad]

The Bible is "Bang on" if "Alexander" magically transforms into "Nebuchadnezzar."

Of course, once you allow yourself to change the names, why not change the places as well? How about the actual events?

You suggest that there is a verse that says something similar to what you insinuate here? Show us.

 

[dad]

I know exactly how it's "given." It was clearly supposed to be Nebuchadnezzar doing the scraping, and yet it was Alexander. Furthermore, it was never supposed to be rebuilt, and... well... the ruins still look pretty good.

Clear?? No. Show us, and we will see how clear your murky charge becomes.

 

[Nathan Poe]

You suggest that there is a verse that says something similar to what you insinuate here? Show us.

You're the one who changed Nebuchadnezzar to Alexander in order to claim the Bible was "Bang on." Do try to keep track of your own blather.

Prophecies don't mean much if they only "come true" after careful editing.

 

[dad]

You're the one who changed Nebuchadnezzar to Alexander in order to claim the Bible was "Bang on." Do try to keep track of your own blather.

Prophecies don't mean much if they only "come true" after careful editing.

Try to keep up, if you claim God said that Neb would scrape squat, show us, or guess what? You are foiled again.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Try to keep up, if you claim God said that Neb would scrape squat, show us, or guess what? You are foiled again.

English, dad; do you speak it?

Did Neb wipe out Tyre? No.
Did the Bible say he would? Yes.

Ergo, the Bible got it wrong.

 

[AV1611VET]

English, dad; do you speak it?

Did Neb wipe out Tyre? No.
Did the Bible say he would? Yes.

Ergo, the Bible got it wrong.

It did, huh?

And it shall come to pass in that day, that Tyre shall be forgotten seventy years, according to the days of one king: after the end of seventy years shall Tyre sing as an harlot.

Nebuchadnezzar began his conquests in the first year of his reign; from thence to the taking of Babylon by Cyrus are seventy years, at which time the nations subdued by Nebuchadnezzar were to be restored to liberty. These seventy years limit the duration of the Babylonish monarchy. Tyre was taken by him towards the middle of that period; so did not serve the king of Babylon during the whole period, but only for the remaining part of it. This seems to be the meaning of Isaiah; the days allotted to the one king or kingdom, are seventy years; Tyre, with the rest of the conquered nations, shall continue in a state of subjection and desolation to the end of that period. Not from the beginning and through the whole of the period; for, by being one of the latest conquests, the duration of that state of subjection in regard to her, was not much more than half of it. "All these nations," saith Jeremiah, Jer 25:11, "shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years." Some of them were conquered sooner, some later; but the end of this period was the common term for the deliverance of them all.

There is another way of computing the seventy years, from the year in which Tyre was actually taken to the nineteenth of Darius Hystaspis; whom the Phoenicians, or Tyrians, assisted against the Ionians, and probably on that account might then be restored to their former liberties and privileges. But I think the former the more probable interpretation.-L

Note also ---

3 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Tyrus, and will cause many nations to come up against thee, as the sea causeth his waves to come up.
4 And they shall destroy the walls of Tyrus, and break down her towers: I will also scrape her dust from her, and make her like the top of a rock.
5 It shall be a place for the spreading of nets in the midst of the sea: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD: and it shall become a spoil to the nations.

 

[Hespera]

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[Hespera]

Posted by Nathan Poe You're the one who changed Nebuchadnezzar to Alexander in order to claim the Bible was "Bang on." Do try to keep track of your own blather.


Prophecies don't mean much if they only "come true" after careful editing.

Try to keep up, if you claim God said that Neb would scrape squat, show us, or guess what? You are foiled again.

Does this mean something?
Is this where biblical prophesy ends up?

 

[BananaSlug]

Contrary to the prophecy in 48:21, Joseph died in Egypt, not Israel. Gen.50:24

God promises to cast out many nations including the Canaanites and the Jebusites. But he was unable to fulfill his promise. 33:2

God says that the Israelites will destroy all of the peoples they encounter. But according to Joshua ( 15:63, 16:10, 17:12-13) and Judges (1:21, 27-36, 3:1-5) there were some people they just couldn't kill. 7:24

Joshua tells the Israelites that God will "without fail" drive out the Canaanites and the Jebusites. But later, the Bible tells us that he could not drive them out. 3:10

Ezekiel prophesies that Tyrus will be completely destroyed by Nebuchadrezzar and will never be built again. But it wasn't destroyed, as evidenced by the visits to Tyre by Jesus and Paul (Mt.15:21, Mk.7:24, 31, Acts 21:3). 26:14,21, 27:36, 28:19

 

[dad]

English, dad; do you speak it?

Did Neb wipe out Tyre? No.
Did the Bible say he would? Yes.

Ergo, the Bible got it wrong.

I see you forgot to put in where the bible says any such foolish thing. Funny that. Nice try.


here is the deal. Old Neb was mentioned to do certain things in Eze 26. "He" will come down and do this, or "he" will also do that. etc.

THEN, we see God, in verse 14 say that "I" will scrape thee. Not Ned. Questions?

This stuff is so easy.

 

[dad]

Posted by Nathan Poe You're the one who changed Nebuchadnezzar to Alexander in order to claim the Bible was "Bang on." Do try to keep track of your own blather.


Prophecies don't mean much if they only "come true" after careful editing.




Does this mean something?
Is this where biblical prophesy ends up?

Of course it means something. A false charge was made about the bible being wrong. As always, through time and history, that charge was hung up to dry, and had the dust beaten out of it. Yes, biblical prophesy always ends up on top.

But, apparently that isn't your forte. Maybe you can defend the universe in a speck dream called science, or take the evolving trait all the way to the pond, as the starting point for it, or something related to the claims of science, so called?