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I could not figure out where to put this so if it needs moved be my guest.
I received this in an email. While I am not sure if this is actual it certainly makes a point.
Abstinence
(By Robert Layton)
I WAS HOLDING A NOTICE FROM my 13-year-old son's
school announcing a meeting to preview the new course
in sexuality. Parents could examine the curriculum and
take part in an actual lesson presented exactly as it
would be given to the students.
When I arrived at the school, I was surprised to
discover only about a dozen parents there. As we
waited for the presentation, I thumbed through page
after page of instructions in the prevention of
pregnancy or disease. I found abstinence mentioned
only in passing. When the teacher arrived with the
school nurse, she asked if there were any questions. I
asked why abstinence did not play a noticeable part in
the material.
What happened next was shocking. There was a great
deal of laughter, and someone suggested that if I
thought abstinence had any merit, I should go back to
burying my head in the sand. The teacher and the nurse
said nothing as I drowned in a sea of embarrassment.
My mind had gone blank, and I could think of nothing
to say. The teacher explained to me that the job of
the school was to teach "facts, " and the home was
responsible for moral training. I sat in silence for
the next 20 minutes as the course was explained. The
other parents seemed to give their unqualified support
to the materials.
"Donuts, at the back, " announced the teacher during
the break. "I'd like you to put on the name tags we
have prepared-they're right by the donuts . . . and
mingle with the other parents. "Everyone moved to the
back of the room. As I watched them affixing their
name tags and shaking hands, I sat deep in thought. I
was ashamed that I had not been able to convince them
to include a serious discussion of abstinence in the
materials. I uttered a silent prayer for guidance. My
thoughts were interrupted by the teacher's hand on my
shoulder. "Won't you join the others, Mr. Layton?" The
nurse smiled sweetly at me. "The donuts are good."
"Thank you, no, " I replied. "Well, then, how about a
name tag? I'm sure the others would like to meet you."
"Somehow I doubt that, " I replied. "Won't you please
join them?" she coaxed. Then I heard a still, small
voice whisper, "Don't go." The instruction was
unmistakable. "Don't go!" "I'll just wait here, " I
said.
When the class was called back to order, the teacher
looked around the long table and thanked everyone for
putting on name tags. She ignored me. Then she said,
"Now we're going to give you the same lesson we'll be
giving your children. Everyone please peel off your
name tags." I watched in silence as the tags came off.
"Now, then, on the back of one of the tags, I drew a
tiny flower. Who has it, please?" The gentleman across
from me held it up. "Here it is!" "All right, " she
said. "The flower represents disease. Do you recall
with whom you shook hands?" He pointed to a couple of
people. "Very good, " she replied. "The handshake in
this case represents intimacy. So the two people you
had contact with now have the disease." There was
laughter and joking among the parents. The teacher
continued, "And whom did the two of you shake hands
with?" The point was well taken, and she explained how
this lesson would show students how quickly disease is
spread. "Since we all shook hands, we all have the
disease."
It was then that I heard the still, small voice again.
"Speak now," it said, "but be humble." I noted wryly
the latter admonition, then rose from my chair. I
apologized for any upset I might have caused earlier,
congratulated the teacher on an excellent lesson that
would impress the youth, and concluded by saying I had
only one small point I wished to make. "Not all of us
were infected, " I said. "One of us . . . abstained."
 

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I could not figure out where to put this so if it needs moved be my guest.
I received this in an email. While I am not sure if this is actual it certainly makes a point.
Abstinence
(By Robert Layton)
I WAS HOLDING A NOTICE FROM my 13-year-old son's
school announcing a meeting to preview the new course
in sexuality. Parents could examine the curriculum and
take part in an actual lesson presented exactly as it
would be given to the students.
When I arrived at the school, I was surprised to
discover only about a dozen parents there. As we
waited for the presentation, I thumbed through page
after page of instructions in the prevention of
pregnancy or disease. I found abstinence mentioned
only in passing. When the teacher arrived with the
school nurse, she asked if there were any questions. I
asked why abstinence did not play a noticeable part in
the material.
What happened next was shocking. There was a great
deal of laughter, and someone suggested that if I
thought abstinence had any merit, I should go back to
burying my head in the sand. The teacher and the nurse
said nothing as I drowned in a sea of embarrassment.
My mind had gone blank, and I could think of nothing
to say. The teacher explained to me that the job of
the school was to teach "facts, " and the home was
responsible for moral training. I sat in silence for
the next 20 minutes as the course was explained. The
other parents seemed to give their unqualified support
to the materials.
"Donuts, at the back, " announced the teacher during
the break. "I'd like you to put on the name tags we
have prepared-they're right by the donuts . . . and
mingle with the other parents. "Everyone moved to the
back of the room. As I watched them affixing their
name tags and shaking hands, I sat deep in thought. I
was ashamed that I had not been able to convince them
to include a serious discussion of abstinence in the
materials. I uttered a silent prayer for guidance. My
thoughts were interrupted by the teacher's hand on my
shoulder. "Won't you join the others, Mr. Layton?" The
nurse smiled sweetly at me. "The donuts are good."
"Thank you, no, " I replied. "Well, then, how about a
name tag? I'm sure the others would like to meet you."
"Somehow I doubt that, " I replied. "Won't you please
join them?" she coaxed. Then I heard a still, small
voice whisper, "Don't go." The instruction was
unmistakable. "Don't go!" "I'll just wait here, " I
said.
When the class was called back to order, the teacher
looked around the long table and thanked everyone for
putting on name tags. She ignored me. Then she said,
"Now we're going to give you the same lesson we'll be
giving your children. Everyone please peel off your
name tags." I watched in silence as the tags came off.
"Now, then, on the back of one of the tags, I drew a
tiny flower. Who has it, please?" The gentleman across
from me held it up. "Here it is!" "All right, " she
said. "The flower represents disease. Do you recall
with whom you shook hands?" He pointed to a couple of
people. "Very good, " she replied. "The handshake in
this case represents intimacy. So the two people you
had contact with now have the disease." There was
laughter and joking among the parents. The teacher
continued, "And whom did the two of you shake hands
with?" The point was well taken, and she explained how
this lesson would show students how quickly disease is
spread. "Since we all shook hands, we all have the
disease."
It was then that I heard the still, small voice again.
"Speak now," it said, "but be humble." I noted wryly
the latter admonition, then rose from my chair. I
apologized for any upset I might have caused earlier,
congratulated the teacher on an excellent lesson that
would impress the youth, and concluded by saying I had
only one small point I wished to make. "Not all of us
were infected, " I said. "One of us . . . abstained."


I like that.
 
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But if a person wore gloves he/she could shake hands and won't be infected. That's what I got from the story.


they still could have...there is a chance...the only way to prevent for certain is abstaining.

not that i am for abstainence ONLY programs, but it should be emphasized that it is the ONLY way to GUARENTEE it...
 
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I'm pretty sure the entire point of the lesson was to show that if you have unprotected sex with a number of people, it's likely that you'll receive a disease. I'm not sure how the person in the example thought they were "sticking it to" the class or something, since they really only helped illustrate the point the teacher was making.
 
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Well, in theory, you can pick up diseases just by using a public restroom ;) and I don't deny that those could be spread from one partner to the other.

But that's not the kind of disease the OP was talking about, right?
I was talking about sexually transmitted infections. People get STI/STDs from their spouses all the time. Getting married doesn't purify your genitalia or bloodstream. The only way to avoid getting diseases when having sex is to have an accurate, complete sexual history for each of your partners (and using protection doesn't hurt).
 
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The anecdote doesn't solve the problem, it simply tries to dodge the problem.

Some STDs are hereditary. So you could have abstained perfectly until marriage, and still give your spouse an STD that you inherited from your parents (AIDS is one example). And, as Dannager pointed out, STIs develop quite easily, even between completely faithful partners (UTIs).
 
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Some STDs are hereditary. So you could have abstained perfectly until marriage, and still give your spouse an STD that you inherited from your parents (AIDS is one example).
Heh, this is another fine point. In point of fact, the only real way to be completely sure you'll never get an STD is to simply never be born.
 
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Nice little story but it does has its flaws as others have pointed out. Yes, abstinence should be discussed and even promoted in the class room. No, abstinence should not be the only thing discussed! Students need to know that they can use condoms to protect themselves and that condoms are very effective at preventing the spread of disease. They also need to know that they can use other forms of contraception and birth control to prevent unwanted pregnancies. I would even go so far as to include some teaching on abortion. Namely teaching the facts about abortion and dispelling the myths about it.
 
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The anecdote doesn't solve the problem, it simply tries to dodge the problem.

Some STDs are hereditary. So you could have abstained perfectly until marriage, and still give your spouse an STD that you inherited from your parents (AIDS is one example). And, as Dannager pointed out, STIs develop quite easily, even between completely faithful partners (UTIs).
I'm wondering which one's are heredetary? How many of them?

And then we need to ask how the original parent got that STD in the first place. Most likely through Sex unless they were intravenous drug addicts.
The original source is still the same, and if they would have practiced abstinance before marriage, they wouldn't have had the STD to pass to a child later would they?
 
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I'm pretty sure the entire point of the lesson was to show that if you have unprotected sex with a number of people, it's likely that you'll receive a disease. I'm not sure how the person in the example thought they were "sticking it to" the class or something, since they really only helped illustrate the point the teacher was making.
As I understand it, studies have shown that having multiple partners actually produces a certain cancer or something in females.
Also I think it lends to women becoming sterile???

They had an issue in one of the states that wanted to force all girls of a certain age to get this vaccination to guard against it & there was a big outrage from parents about it.
They didn't want to have to manditorily have their daughters get this shot - some issues with it.

Anyways, there's literature on the medical risks of having multiple partners.
 
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Great post savedfromdistruction. It matches some of my eperiences.
In the UK there are record levels of STD's and abortions yet we have had the Silver Ring scheme ridiculed.
With the approach of ABC to the AIDS situation, (A-bstinence, B-eing faithful C-ondoms) we get a lot of objection to abstinence, yet the most effective way to avoid AIDS from sex is abstinence. I noticed the way this program, which I think George Bush endoresed, came under attack for basically 'wasting' money on abstinence and being faithful education instead of providing condoms. It seemed to me the objectors were more interested in promoting sex than tackling AIDS.

In a recent case with the Silver ring scheme, the school rules and controlled wearing of religous symbols seemed to be more important than attempts to improve childrens health.
 
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As I understand it, studies have shown that having multiple partners actually produces a certain cancer or something in females.
Also I think it lends to women becoming sterile???
Nonsense. Please provide evidence for these claims. The only biological danger of promiscuity is STDs. That in itself is not something to take lightly, but don't spread myths about sex - it only serves to scare, misinform and confuse those who have little experience with it.
 
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