Absolute proof.. can't deny.. the earth is flat

[trophy33]

@lifepsyop Do not forget to respond to this:

"You do not need to have a perfect model, just a working model, explaining all the basic things the solar system explains. Present such model."

 

[Apple Sky]

But I am not interested anymore, I will rather watch something about economy.

Here yer go then

 

[lifepsyop]

@lifepsyop Do not forget to respond to this:

"You do not need to have a perfect model, just a working model, explaining all the basic things the solar system explains. Present such model."

A model is something that explains observations. I don't know of any readily accessible observations that necessitate a spherical earth. Virtually everything we see has an explanation that requires no 'curving' of the earth into a ball. When you subtract any need for curvature from your earth model, what are you left with? Yep, the default position of a flat earth.

I used to believe that north-south opposite star rotation was conclusive evidence that we were on a spherical earth with opposite poles... I thought it was a slam-dunk... and then I was debunked by simple real-world demonstrations showing how easily this works on a flat earth. (shown earlier in thread)

That's when I began to realize that globe believers are mostly just repeating arguments they've heard as if they are irrefutable facts, with no critical examination.

 

[prodromos]

It's a matter perspective; This has been explained before..........

Perspective makes objects appear smaller as they get further away. The sun remains exactly the same size from dawn to noon to dusk, so it isn't a matter of perspective.
Eric "the idiot" Dubay lies again.

 

[prodromos]

Why should anyone have to acknowledge something for which there is so little documented evidence for?

There is more than enough documented evidence, but even if it was only documented once, it still totally destroys the flat earth model.

If you really wanted, you could easily contact one of the many people who have worked in Antarctica through the Summer. You can get all the eyewitness testimony you need.

 

[prodromos]

I see right now that two are signed up to go, so what's your justification to keep saying this?

There own public statements. They have not committed to going.

How bankrupt is your position if you are having to make things up like that?

I don't make things up. That is the pervue of people like Eric Dubay.

 

[prodromos]

Look at it this way. I can easily find hours of footage and high quality timelapses of the sun from virtually every other location on earth, except for Antarctica.

These have all been posted before, but you will have to wait until it is Summer in the Southern Hemisphere to see the 24 hour sun.

Australian bases.

Mawson research station Antarctica webcam – Australian Antarctic Program

Check out our webcam overlooking Mawson station in Antarctica.

www.antarctica.gov.au

Casey research station Antarctica webcam – Australian Antarctic Program

Casey webcam image and timelapse movie, as well as current weather (temperature and wind speed).

www.antarctica.gov.au

Macquarie Island research station webcam – Australian Antarctic Program

Check out our webcam showing the station on Macquarie Island.

www.antarctica.gov.au

Davis research station Antarctica webcam – Australian Antarctic Program

Check the webcam, to see what’s happening at Davis station.

www.antarctica.gov.au

U.S. bases

The USAP Portal: Science and Support in Antarctica - McMurdo Station Webcams

McMurdo Station Webcams in Antarctica

www.usap.gov

The USAP Portal: Science and Support in Antarctica - South Pole Station Webcams

South Pole Webcam in Antarctica

www.usap.gov

The USAP Portal: Science and Support in Antarctica - Palmer Station Webcams

Palmer Station Webcams in Antarctica

www.usap.gov

 

[prodromos]

I used to believe that north-south opposite star rotation was conclusive evidence that we were on a spherical earth with opposite poles... I thought it was a slam-dunk... and then I was debunked by simple real-world demonstrations showing how easily this works on a flat earth. (shown earlier in thread)

It really reflects poorly on your intelligence that you were convinced by those arguments, especially as they claim the stars in the Southern Hemisphere are just a parabolic reflection of the stars in the Northern Hemisphere. They don't remotely match up.
One of the videos you linked, Shane St Pierre, is obviously enamoured with the "personal dome" view created by Walter Bislin. Of course he and other flat earthers ignore the disclaimer on Walter's website:

Here is an interactive Flat Earth Model that can show Sunrise, Sunset, Moonrise, Moonset, Moon Phases, Moon's apparent rotation, Sun's position on Equinox, Seasons, some aspects of Solar and Lunar Eclipses, Star trails, 24 hours Day/Night at the Northpole and Antarctica, Celestial Poles, why people south of the equator can see the same Stars rotate clockwise around a singe celestial pole at the same time from different continents.

It can do this only by doing all calculations in the Heliocentric Model and then projecting the results onto the Flat Earth Model and bending light in a physically impossible manner.

 

[Apple Sky]

There is more than enough documented evidence, but even if it was only documented once, it still totally destroys the flat earth model.

How does it ?

The motion of a light in the sky cannot possibly prove the shape of the earth.

Whether there is or there isn't a midnight sun has no bearing on the shape of the earth.

 

[Apple Sky]

Perspective makes objects appear smaller as they get further away. The sun remains exactly the same size from dawn to noon to dusk, so it isn't a matter of perspective.
Eric "the idiot" Dubay lies again.

When the sun disappears and night time falls is due to the sun being so far away. Therefore it is a matter of our perspective very much so.

 

[prodromos]

How does it ?

The motion of a light in the sky cannot possibly prove the shape of the earth.

Whether there is or there isn't a midnight sun has no bearing on the shape of the earth.

This is the daylight map from time and date.com.

Notice how the Arctic is still in daylight while areas further South are in the dark.

When it is winter in the north the image is reversed with the Antarctic in constant daylight while areas above are in the dark. That is impossible on your flat earth but matches perfectly with a globe.

 

[prodromos]

When the sun disappears and night time falls is due to the sun being so far away. Therefore it is a matter of our perspective very much so.

Distant light sources are still visible even if the size is less than what our human eyes can resolve. The human eye can see a candle at 2.7km away and the sun is several orders of magnitude larger and brighter than a candle.

 

[Apple Sky]

This is the daylight map from time and date.com.
View attachment 352970
Notice how the Arctic is still in daylight while areas further South are in the dark.
View attachment 352971 When it is winter in the north the image is reversed with the Antarctic in constant daylight while areas above are in the dark. That is impossible on your flat earth but matches perfectly with a globe.

So what - The motion of a light in the sky cannot possibly prove the shape of the earth.

 

[Apple Sky]

Distant light sources are still visible even if the size is less than what our human eyes can resolve. The human eye can see a candle at 2.7km away and the sun is several orders of magnitude larger and brighter than a candle.

Still doesn't explain how we get night fall. Your thinking is different to mine, I do not believe the earth orbits the sun, the earth is unmovable.

He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved Paslm 104:5

 

[lifepsyop]

These have all been posted before, but you will have to wait until it is Summer in the Southern Hemisphere to see the 24 hour sun.

These webcams are extremely low framerate, low quality and routinely missing large amounts of time. People have studied these for a long time and noticed shadows jumping ahead by several hours on a daily basis.

They contacted the bases directly about this and have published their response that it's due to signal loss from the weather.

 

[lifepsyop]

It really reflects poorly on your intelligence that you were convinced by those arguments, especially as they claim the stars in the Southern Hemisphere are just a parabolic reflection of the stars in the Northern Hemisphere. They don't remotely match up.

I think he meant that both views of the stars reflect each other in how they similarly converge on the horizon of our view.

Regardless, I can show you again:

We can see how "crepuscular" rays of the sun will sometimes appear to diverge from a point on the horizon, then appear to run parallel overhead of the observer, and finally converge on the 'anti-solar' point on the opposite horizon in the form of "anticrepuscular" rays.

You'd have to imagine being able to look east and west simultaneously to get this view. Note that this is not the 'actual' shape of the sunrays, but it is how they appear from our limited point of perspective.

Now if we add the stars onto the same visual space (with points converging at opposing horizons) we see how we have an opposite star rotation in the north and the south.

Note that this is not the 'actual' shape of stars, but it is how they appear from our limited point of perspective.

(You can see an animated view at this timestamp

Like it or not, this explains what we see... and importantly, it also helps show how we tricked ourselves into believing we were looking at opposite poles of a spinning globe. (The devil inverts the truth, does he not? )

Additionally, we can even physically demonstrate this counter-rotational effect in nature with a small dome shaped lens.

I've already explained this to you and don't recall much of a response. The more you name-call, the more I begin to realize you don't have a response.


As they say: Welcome to the Flat Earth.


It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers;
who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in
- Isaiah 40:22

 

[prodromos]

So what - The motion of a light in the sky cannot possibly prove the shape of the earth.

The shape of the area lit by the sun absolutely can prove the shape of the Earth.

 

[trophy33]

A model is something that explains observations. I don't know of any readily accessible observations that necessitate a spherical earth. Virtually everything we see has an explanation that requires no 'curving' of the earth into a ball. When you subtract any need for curvature from your earth model, what are you left with? Yep, the default position of a flat earth.

I used to believe that north-south opposite star rotation was conclusive evidence that we were on a spherical earth with opposite poles... I thought it was a slam-dunk... and then I was debunked by simple real-world demonstrations showing how easily this works on a flat earth. (shown earlier in thread)

That's when I began to realize that globe believers are mostly just repeating arguments they've heard as if they are irrefutable facts, with no critical examination.

I am asking you for a flat earth model explaining at least basic observations. Like the standard model explains sunsets, eclipses, the movement of heavenly bodies, gravity, seasons, time zones etc.

Show me a picture or a video of the flat earth system, explaining the basic things we observe.

Asking you for the third time and still having nothing is beginning to look suspicious.

 

[prodromos]

I think he meant that both views of the stars reflect each other in how they similarly converge on the horizon of our view.

If that's what he meant, he should state it as such, but it really did not come across that way to me.

Regardless, I can show you again:

I understood it the first time and it is complete bunk. There is no correlation between crepuscular rays and how the stars appear. There is no stretching of the stars overhead or shrinking near the poles as you would expect with perspective. His explanation is irrational nonsense. It's as bad as the claim by Pastor Dean Odle when he thought the twisting of light by magnetic fields would cause the moon to appear upside down when viewed South of the equator.

 

[Apple Sky]

It's as bad as the claim by Pastor Dean Odle when he thought the twisting of light by magnetic fields would cause the moon to appear upside down when viewed South of the equator.

When did Dean make this claim ?