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Absolute proof.. can't deny.. the earth is flat

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I'll post it again........

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Uh, yeah, none of these actually mention the Earth being flat. You do remember in Genesis where it says "Let there be light"? Yeah, the sun was made on literally the first day. It was the first thing God did so nice try but you still can't actually quote a verse that says "the Earth is flat" or I believe you would have. Talking about firmament and things like that have nothing to do with a flat Earth. You are participating in a delusion and you need to stop bearing false witness that the Earth is flat when it's not. The only one I will give you is where the Bible talks about the four corners of the Earth but then you would have to believe in a square or rectangle Earth and I don't think your delusion will go that far.

Don't just post a list of things that mention the Earth, quote the actual verse that states that we live on a flat Earth. You can't so your belief is not Biblical, it's Medeval.
 
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Because it is the truth.
Uh, no.
Oh but it does & they don't.
You have yet to post a single verse confirming the Earth is flat. Care to tey again?
The Bible never mentions a sphere.
Perhaps not. It also doesn't mention a disk. Are you under the impression that the Bible is a book of astronomy? It talks about the miracle of God's creation, history, prophecy, and instructions for Jesus' disciples. It is not a book of science, let alone a book about astronomy. Zoroastrians had a much better grasp of astronomy than the Israelites.
Your spinning Globe is not a proven fact, if it were, someone somewhere could surely prove it.
Heve you ever heard or Google Earth? Take a look and you will find every country known to man clearly displayed in real time. Have you ever used GPS? The first word of GPS means "Global." Have you ever watched footage of a rocket shooting into outer space in real time? To say there is no proof is almost like saying you have no grasp of what is real and what is not.

You can't be serious about this question. Am I being trolled because this makes no sense to me?
 
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There are a vast number of things we observe that can only work on a globe earth, many of which have been brought up on this thread. It isn't my personal belief, it is simply a fact.
Some of it is refraction, and some of it is due to the camera optics which the video creator has not accounted for.
Dave McKeegan has done a nice little video explaining that here.
No, I never claimed it was arbitrary.
You didn't state it outright, you just treat it that way.
I'm just pointing out how irrelevant a globe-earth model is to the phenomenon.
Flerfs have often claimed to debunk the globe by claiming that "we see too far" when using the basic earth curve calculator which doesn't factor in refraction. I'm glad you recognise how foolish they were being.
I am watching a micro version of the "chicago skyline" in the refraction tests above.
Let me know when they do a test with the minimum aperture on the camera to more accurately model the size of our eyes and camera lenses relative to the real world. I won't hold my breath.
You are projecting your beliefs about the shape of the earth onto an observation that does not require it.
Again, it isn't a personal belief.
 
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Not one of the above mentioned is proof of a spinning ball, try again.
 
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It would be easy to use heliocentric symbolism or spinning earth symbolism, but that never happens because it would be expressing something false. Why symbolize the earth as something in motion if it is in fact at rest on a foundation?
A foundation? And what does the foundation rest on?
 
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It always amuses me when some people reject science almost entirely, yet enjoy the benefits of science in their daily lives. Such as being able to communicate on the internet.
 
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Don't just post a list of things that mention the Earth, quote the actual verse that states that we live on a flat Earth. You can't so your belief is not Biblical, it's Medeval.
While it's hard to know what the average person thought, belief in a round Earth was accepted by essentially all educated people by the medieval period.
 
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While it's hard to know what the average person thought, belief in a round Earth was accepted by essentially all educated people by the medieval period.

Didn't have much choice thanks to Copernicus.
 
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It always amuses me when some people reject science almost entirely, yet enjoy the benefits of science in their daily lives. Such as being able to communicate on the internet.

There's science and then there's pseudoscience .
 
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Anyone trying to navigate on a flat earth as if it was a globe will end up in the wrong place. Or the opposite - navigate on a globe pretending it was flat. Getting it wrong will get you lost!

This used to be my assumption as well.

It turns out this is not as clear cut a case for one or the other model as you'd think. For starters, both globe and flat earth models are essentially the same for the entire northern hemisphere and magnetic north pole. They also use the same system of East and West directionality. It is really only going South where things get very different between models. The models begin to gradually diverge as you go south of the equator (the globe shrinking inwards into a pole, and the flat-earth expanding outwards into the edges of a disk... and then they only become starkly different in the southern latitudes, which is mostly the southern ocean and antarctica.

The region of the earth south of 60 degrees lattitude (red line) is basically one big military restriction zone. There are guided tours to one small area, and a few other military/research bases. This is the region that would make or break each model, (either a pole on a globe earth, or an outer edge of a flat earth, but curiously it is the one region of the world where public access is so heavily restricted.

Plane flights do not cross over this region, they almost always stay north of it. Occasionally a flight will come alongside an edge of it and then immediately turn back north. Globe believers hinge their model on the fact that a small handful of flights in the south appear to take shorter flight lengths around the world than would be possible on a flat earth, but are putting a lot of faith in the exact routes and speeds those pilots are making.

Historically, there appears to have been a lot of trouble mapping the coordinates of this area, even by expert navigators. Even the original plotting of GPS systems had to use constant longitude corrections to conform the result to a globe model.

Globe believers will point to things like yacht races around this area, but they usually take inordinate lengths of time and irregular routes.




The whole thing is a fascinating subject to delve into, and you will likely realize you're really not quite as sure as you thought you were about things.


The evidence that the earth is a globe is overwhelming.

You would think so.... turns out not to be the case.

Did God create a real world? Or an illusion?

This is a great question.

Would God create a world in which everything we perceived was an illusion? Where the sun moon and stars seemed to be centered around us on an earth at rest, but really that was a big illusion and we're hurdling half a million miles through space. Was God unable to create a cosmos that existed as it appeared to men?

And God would not deceive us into believing we lived on a globe, right?

But in the Bible, God does in fact allow the nations to be deceived by someone else, specifically approaching the end of the age.

What has been a greater engine for rejection of Christianity than the myth of scientific enlightenment (i.e. Copernicanism, etc.) ? It is universally celebrated as the time in history where the wisdom of men gained superiority over the revelation of scripture, and we began to trust Science for the true nature of our universe and our origins, rather than dark age ancient superstition.

Just something to think about.
 
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It always amuses me when some people reject science almost entirely, yet enjoy the benefits of science in their daily lives. Such as being able to communicate on the internet.

Really, how has the belief in a spinning globe earth benefited your life? ...


Isn't the world connected to the internet via underwater cables between continents?

Notice that none of the submarine cables go anywhere near crossing through the Southern Ocean. This is yet another reflection of how little resolution the edge of the world has.



 
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Really, how has the belief in a spinning globe earth benefited your life? ...
I don't have a belief in a spinning globe Earth. I just consider it most likely given the evidence I've seen. I'm open to a variety of shapes. I can't seem to make the evidence fit a flat Earth, though.

But satellites do benefit my life. They allow for GPS, internet, weather tracking, Earth imaging, television, phone service, and more.

I used to work in the satellite industry, so if the Earth is flat, I'm part of the conspiracy to deceive everybody. I know what satellites do, how they orbit, the kinds of components that go into them, the kinds of signals they produce, and good ways to zap them with lasers. Don't ask me any details about the last one.
 
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Can I ask details about that last one?
 
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I thought this paper was interesting... from the year 2000 in the Journal of Surveying Engineering, regarding the calibration of GPS coordinate systems to the actual surface of the earth.


In it they describe a process of regular 'correction' for 'meridian convergence'. (as lines of longitude on the equator grow closer together as they approach the poles). The GPS calibration process appears to be centered around using an algorithm to conform data to a 3D model of a sphere.

Far from being independent checks, we are probably imposing a great deal of our beliefs into the designs of the technology we use
 
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Can I ask details about that last one?

And funny thing, after conforming properly to a globe, it gets you to your destination, whether you're traveling by ground, air or sea.
 
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Not one of the above mentioned is proof of a spinning ball, try again.
Are you sure that I didn't make a post telling you the many places you can see proof? Here ya go.......

Click here Google Earth and you can literally see the Entire Earth. You start off with a view of the entire globe like this......




Then you can zoom in to any city or town on Earth to street level. Pretty simple and free program. You can also see what Antarctica really looks like, a snow-covered continent at the South Pole of the GLOBE.

Now let's see your proof. I mean besides an artist's rendering. Show us a flat Earth where you can zoom from space to any city's street level. Can't wait. You see, what you are talking about is your BELIEF based on some thrown-together Bible verses that never actually mention that the Earth is flat. At this stage of life, one should be able to clearly prove something is a fact of nature (like an interactive map of planet Earth) and something you simply believe in but can't prove (like Santa, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, and the like). Does any of that make sense?
 
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