Absolute proof.. can't deny.. the earth is flat

[prodromos]

Let God be true and every man a liar.

Your interpretation of Scripture makes God out to be a liar

That's definitely not true.

Oh it is definitely true.

 

[lifepsyop]

It doesnt state that the earth is flat in the Bible. Only 'Your' interpretation comes out with a flat earth!!

It's not my interpretation. It was believed by the writers themselves.

The ancient Israelites envisaged the universe as a flat disc-shaped Earth floating on water, heaven above, underworld below.

Biblical cosmology - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It is actually your modern interpretation that has abandoned the traditionally accepted cosmology that the Bible clearly portrays again and again.

 

[BNR32FAN]

The cosmology of the Bible is pretty clearly geocentric (the earth is at rest and the sun runs circuits around it) and also anytime the earth is described it is consistently painting the picture of a "flat earth" that is set on foundations and has edges, etc.

Let God be true and every man a liar.

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That's definitely not true.

Are you familiar with the term “proverbial saying”? Let me give you an example, it’s raining cats & dogs, a watched kettle never boils, all things come to those who wait, an apple a day keeps the doctor away. These are all proverbial sayings, they’re sayings that represent a truth but are not intended to be taken literally. 90% of the book of Job is proverbial sayings, anyone can see that. 99% of Psalms are proverbial sayings. Isaiah is also full of proverbial sayings. Your picture here quotes Isaiah 40, here’s another verse from chapter 40.

“A voice says, “Call out.” Then he answered, “What shall I call out?” All flesh is grass, and all its loveliness is like the flower of the field. The grass withers, the flower fades, When the breath of the Lord blows upon it; Surely the people are grass.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭40‬:‭6‬-‭7‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Are you literally grass? I could point out a hundred more verses from the Bible that are not intended to be taken literally. If you think the earth is a flat circle because Isaiah 40 says so then you have to also admit that you are literally grass and so is everyone else.

Genesis 1:2 doesn’t say that the earth is a face that’s a lie.

“The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1‬:‭2‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Genesis 1:2 is talking about the face or surface of the water. Even a sphere has a face, it has a top face a bottom face, a left face, a right face, a front face, and a back face, it all depends on your perspective.

 

[BNR32FAN]

It's not my interpretation. It was believed by the writers themselves.

The ancient Israelites envisaged the universe as a flat disc-shaped Earth floating on water, heaven above, underworld below.

Biblical cosmology - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It is actually your modern interpretation that has abandoned the traditionally accepted cosmology that the Bible clearly portrays again and again.

Yeah great example because Jesus made it absolutely clear how well the Jews interpreted scripture, He was constantly correcting them.

 

[Paul4JC]

How They Fake All Southern Flights.​

 

[christian-surfer]

The cosmology of the Bible is pretty clearly geocentric (the earth is at rest and the sun runs circuits around it) and also anytime the earth is described it is consistently painting the picture of a "flat earth" that is set on foundations and has edges, etc.

Let God be true and every man a lia



That's definitely not true.

The earth appears to not move because of gravity. So it appears as if to not move because you are on the earth and moving with it at the same time. Think of being in a car or an airplane, the car or airplane is moving but you are moving with it so within the car or airplanes it appears that you are not moving.

If the earth is flat then the moon must be made of cheese

 

[prodromos]

How They Fake All Southern Flights.​

Right off the bat he is lying. The jet streams do not account for the flight durations because flights go in both directions while the jetstreams only go in one direction. I don't know if I can be bothered watching any more of the video if he starts off so badly.

OK, watched a bit more. They claim aircraft use the jetstream in one direction and trade winds in the other, except that trade winds are capped at 13,000 feet, well below the cruising altitude of long haul passenger airlines. Gotta lie to flerf.

 

[Apple Sky]

Your interpretation of Scripture makes God out to be a liar

How does it ?

 

[prodromos]

How does it ?

Been there, done that, not wasting my time explaining it to you again.

 

[Lost4words]

It's not my interpretation. It was believed by the writers themselves.

The ancient Israelites envisaged the universe as a flat disc-shaped Earth floating on water, heaven above, underworld below.

Biblical cosmology - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It is actually your modern interpretation that has abandoned the traditionally accepted cosmology that the Bible clearly portrays again and again.

Wrong.....'envisaged' is not the same as knowing for definite....

Flat earth is the 'modern' interpretation....

 

[BNR32FAN]

The earth appears to not move because of gravity. So it appears as if to not move because you are on the earth and moving with it at the same time. Think of being in a car or an airplane, the car or airplane is moving but you are moving with it so within the car or airplanes it appears that you are not moving.

If the earth is flat then the moon must be made of cheese

Yeah anyone who thinks that we should be able to feel the movement of the earth doesn’t understand inertia and centrifugal force. The rotation of the earth can be compared to driving a vehicle 10 mph in a circle that has a 240 mile diameter and the movement of the earth around the sun can be compared to driving a car at 10 mph in a circle that is a 8,544 mile diameter. In both cases you wouldn’t feel any movement or centrifugal force. If you get on a merry go round and turn it the same speed as the minute hand on a clock, that’s one revolution per hour, you still wouldn’t feel anything even though your spinning 24 times faster than the earth is rotation. These people who post pictures of a wet spinning tennis ball with water droplets flying off of it aren’t applying logic to the situation because that tennis ball isn’t spinning one revolution every 24 hours. This explains why we can’t feel any movement on the earth but these people still won’t acknowledge this fact, not because they don’t understand it, because they don’t want to acknowledge it.

 

[Lost4words]

Yeah anyone who thinks that we should be able to feel the movement of the earth doesn’t understand inertia and centrifugal force. The rotation of the earth can be compared to driving a vehicle 10 mph in a circle that has a 240 mile diameter and the movement of the earth around the sun can be compared to driving a car at 10 mph in a circle that is a 8,544 mile diameter. In both cases you wouldn’t feel any movement or centrifugal force. If you get on a merry go round and turn it the same speed as the minute hand on a clock, that’s one revolution per hour, you still wouldn’t feel anything even though your spinning 24 times faster than the earth is rotation. These people who post pictures of a wet spinning tennis ball with water droplets flying off of it aren’t applying logic to the situation because that tennis ball isn’t spinning one revolution every 24 hours.

They dont think science is real or believable unless it is in relation to their wild beliefs.

 

[lifepsyop]

Wrong.....'envisaged' is not the same as knowing for definite....

That is the mental picture they drew from the text of the Old Testament. Of course they would, because that is what the OT describes.

Flat earth is the 'modern' interpretation....

Nobody called it a "flat earth", but the construction was essentially the same, and it was fixed and at rest.


Modernity itself is essentially the changing from ancient cosmology to a Copernican / Newtonian one that totally contradicts the Bible.

 

[lifepsyop]

Are you familiar with the term “proverbial saying”? Let me give you an example, it’s raining cats & dogs, a watched kettle never boils, all things come to those who wait, an apple a day keeps the doctor away. These are all proverbial sayings, they’re sayings that represent a truth but are not intended to be taken literally. 90% of the book of Job is proverbial sayings, anyone can see that. 99% of Psalms are proverbial sayings. Isaiah is also full of proverbial sayings. Your picture here quotes Isaiah 40, here’s another verse from chapter 40.

“A voice says, “Call out.” Then he answered, “What shall I call out?” All flesh is grass, and all its loveliness is like the flower of the field. The grass withers, the flower fades, When the breath of the Lord blows upon it; Surely the people are grass.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭40‬:‭6‬-‭7‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Are you literally grass? I could point out a hundred more verses from the Bible that are not intended to be taken literally. If you think the earth is a flat circle because Isaiah 40 says so then you have to also admit that you are literally grass and so is everyone else.

This is a common mistake people make about the nature of symbolism in the Bible. Of course, there is lots of symbolism, but the symbols always point towards the truth about the thing they are symbolizing. Symbolism is never deceptive in nature.

In your example, yes people really are similar to a field of grass and flowers, where they appear beautiful in their youth but then get old and whither as they age. That is accurate symbolism.

In Psalm 19, when the psalmist is praising God's handiwork with the sun, in how it comes out like a bridegroom and runs its circuit around the earth. To say this is really symbolism for an earth spinning and wobbling through space as it orbits the sun. That would be deceptive symbolism that does not reflect the true nature of something at all.

Genesis 1:2 doesn’t say that the earth is a face that’s a lie.

“The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1‬:‭2‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Genesis 1:2 is talking about the face or surface of the water. Even a sphere has a face, it has a top face a bottom face, a left face, a right face, a front face, and a back face, it all depends on your perspective.

A sphere is isotropic, with uniformity in all directions. It actually has no face at all. It's a reflection of Copernican philosophy, no special orientation, all points relative to each other. No Up, no Down. It's confusion.

And there are dozens if not hundreds of verses that all consistently point towards a fixed enclosed circle of earth that rests on foundations, with the waters above and below... The Bible paints a very clear and distinct earth model. (and it's definitely not flying through outer space)

 

[lifepsyop]

They dont think science is real or believable unless it is in relation to their wild beliefs.

The traditional interpretation of creation is not a wild belief. It's basically what we all feel and see with our eyes every day.

Earth as a spinning, wobbling ball flying 450,000 MpH through a relative field of gravitational space-time curvature is a wild belief.

This is why you have to do weird things like invent 85% of the universe as dark matter. A lot of what we think of as "Science" is just mathematical modeling and philosophical assumptions of the Copernican principle.

 

[Lost4words]

That is the mental picture they drew from the text of the Old Testament. Of course they would, because that is what the OT describes.

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Nobody called it a "flat earth", but the construction was essentially the same, and it was fixed and at rest.


Modernity itself is essentially the changing from ancient cosmology to a Copernican / Newtonian one that totally contradicts the Bible.

Spherical earth is the reality....flat earth is the fantasy..

 

[Lost4words]

The traditional interpretation of creation is not a wild belief. It's basically what we all feel and see with our eyes every day.

Earth as a spinning, wobbling ball flying 450,000 MpH through a relative field of gravitational space-time curvature is a wild belief.

This is why you have to do weird things like invent 85% of the universe as dark matter. A lot of what we think of as "Science" is just mathematical modeling and philosophical assumptions of the Copernican principle.

Thing is, its a provable fact that the earth is spherical and spinning etc....

The same cannot be said of the flat earth model...

 

[lifepsyop]

Thing is, its a provable fact that the earth is spherical and spinning etc....

Yea I used to believe that too.

The idea that Science could be fundamentally wrong frightens us.

 

[lifepsyop]

Spherical earth is the reality....flat earth is the fantasy..

Spherical earth is a model that is mostly believed because of fisheye camera lenses.

"flat earth" is basically just what we see and experience every day. It is self-evident.

It's also why we don't take airplane flights over the south pole, because there is no south pole to fly over.

 

[lifepsyop]

The meta-narrative of the modern world is that "Science has disproven the Bible", and replaced it as an authority on the nature of the creation. This is the #1 attack used against the authority of Jesus. "Science has proven that the Bible is just a fairytale"... It is the #1 excuse used by unbelievers on why we don't need to follow the Gospel.

A question Christians should seriously consider... Do you really think God would design the cosmos in a way in which its supposed true discovery by "science" becomes one of the biggest engines and producers of Atheism / Agnosticism the world has ever known?

Why would He create what is essentially a cosmic illusion that would be completely overturned while giving all the glory to the wisdom of men millenia later?

Everything in scripture is there for a reason. God desires to be praised for his handiwork in the heavens and earth. The apostle Paul's first words to the gentile world is that we know God because we know about the Creation. Is He really incapable of accurately describing His creation?

Why can't His word be true, and "Science" be wrong?

“Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?"