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Absolute Predestination

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None of us have reached a sinless perfection state, so we all still do "some evil"

Do you actually know what the Bible says? Or, are you making this stuff up?

We are never told to reach a 'sinless perfection state'. However, as far as your 'some evil' is concerned, have you read these verses?

Matthew 6:13
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

Matthew 6:23
But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

Matthew 7:17
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

Matthew 12:34
O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

Matthew 24:48
But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

Mark 7
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

Luke 6:45
A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.

John 3
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

John 5:29
And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Romans 2:9
Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

Romans 12:9
Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

Romans 12:21
Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

1 Thessalonians 5:22
Abstain from all appearance of evil.

2 Timothy 3:13
But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

Hebrews 3:12
Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

1 Peter 2:1
Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,

1 Peter 3:11
Let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it.

1 Peter 3:12
For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.

3 John 1:11
Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.

So now YeshuaFan, do you believe evil people will enter heaven? Do you see what John wrote about the evil? HE THAT DOETH EVIL HATH NOT SEEN GOD!!! This is as plain as the nose on your face.
 
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I will ask you the same question I've asked numerous others.

Supply me, your definition of "free will" please and where it comes from.

God Bless

Till all are one.
 
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Or 5. God decides in advance who will receive faith and so be saved. Other choices we make in life are not predetermined.

How can choices not be predetermined if humans don't have the power of contrary choice (libertarian free will)? What Calvinists believe in libertarian free will (LFW)?
 
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How can choices not be predetermined if humans don't have the power of contrary choice (libertarian free will)?

You mean, if a man comes to a fork in the road, and he turns left, that "choice" was "predetermined"?

What Calvinists believe in libertarian free will (LFW)?

None that I am aware of. And if they do, they are not a "Calvinist".

God Bless

Till all are one.
 
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I will ask you the same question I've asked numerous others.

Supply me, your definition of "free will" please and where it comes from.

Libertarian free will (LFW) is the human ability to make a choice between multiple options (e.g. sin or resist temptation to sin) in an enlightened individual when God Sovereignly allows him to do so.

Lists of verses supporting libertarian free will:

Biblical proof of free will

"5 ARGUMENTS FOR THE EXISTENCE OF FREE WILL":

5 Arguments For The Existence Of Free Will

"What is the biblical basis for free will?":

What is the biblical basis for free will?

"freewill as taught in scripture":

Freewill as Taught in Scripture
 
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Libertarian free will (LFW) is the human ability to make a choice between multiple options (e.g. sin or resist temptation to sin) in an enlightened individual when God Sovereignly allows him to do so.

"Libertarian free will is the position that the unbeliever’s free will is sufficiently self-contained, self-sufficient, and self-caused (without external coercion) so as to be able to accept or reject Christ as Savior, on his own, apart from God's enabling. It assumes that the sinful will is somehow capable, by virtue of being "free", to be able to choose to believe in God and follow him through Christ."

This is what you are defending?

God Bless

Till all are one.
 
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No. Who's definition is that? Calvinist Matt Slick's?
 
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No. Who's definition is that? Calvinist Matt Slick's?

Its a definition.

Provide yours if its different.

God Bless

Till all are one.
 
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You are calling the bible "man made doctrine" and show a lack of understanding of how things work in the bible.
 
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You are calling the bible "man made doctrine" and show a lack of understanding of how things work in the bible.

Really? So far you haven't shown anything from the Bible.

I've asked several times for you to answer where in the Bible does it say, one who doesn't pray 'lead us not into temptation' is fed to the devil by God Himself.

The Bible I understand, your man-made doctrines I don't.
 
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You are making a straw man out of my earnest and sincere replies meant to better help you understand.
 
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You are making a straw man out of my earnest and sincere replies meant to better help you understand.

Nonsense. I've asked this question long ago, and you didn't answer.

Why should I understand what's not in the Bible?
 
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Nonsense. I've asked this question long ago, and you didn't answer.

Why should I understand what's not in the Bible?
You impose free will onto the bible but it does not originate in the bible. Jesus says we are slaves of sin, unless born again, and then we are his slaves.
 
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Supply me, your definition of "free will" please and where it comes from

The ability to choose.


If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire is for you, but you should rule over it.”
Genesis 4:7



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You impose free will onto the bible but it does not originate in the bible. Jesus says we are slaves of sin, unless born again, and then we are his slaves.


Please post the scripture where Jesus said this.


Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” John 8:31-32


We must continue to remain in His doctrine, in order to know the truth and for the truth to make us free.



Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9




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You impose free will onto the bible but it does not originate in the bible. Jesus says we are slaves of sin, unless born again, and then we are his slaves.

Why won't you answer my question? It is a statement you made, and I asked you to back it up with the Bible. If you realize you can't answer, you would be honest and truthful. Dodging my question only shows it's a man-made doctrine.
 
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Why won't you answer my question? It is a statement you made, and I asked you to back it up with the Bible. If you realize you can't answer, you would be honest and truthful. Dodging my question only shows it's a man-made doctrine.
Jesus tells us to ask not to be led into temptation. You added the rest claiming I said more, which I didn't.
 
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“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” (1 John 3:9–10)
 
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