About taking off work to observe the Sabbaths and other holy days

[BobRyan]

I pray that I can help you through this dilemma. .

That would have been nice.

 

[BobRyan]

Oh sure, it is very easy to tell him to do something that will take two days of income from him every week. Then I bet you would also tell him to do the false tithing that cults demand .

This sort of "less-than Bible response" is not one we who value "sola scriptura" will be taking seriously. Simply making papal pronouncements does not substitute for the Word of God.

 

[bugkiller]

This sort of "less-than Bible response" is not one we who value "sola scriptura" will be taking seriously. Simply making papal pronouncements does not substitute for the Word of God.

Do you think anyone take you seriously when you post half sentence quotes and passages used to condemn?

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

in Col 2 - we do not find Paul condemning the Bible, no condemnation of eating, no condemnation of drinking - and no condemnation of God's Sabbath as we find it in the Ten Commandments.

Col 2 is about making up a rule and judging others of being guilty of sin because they differ with you, even if that invented rule is related to a Bible command.

But Col 2 is not an attempt by Paul to delete the scriptures. Rather Paul condemns the idea of making stuff up that is not in scripture at all - where the only source/authority is "man".

Col 2:18 Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflatedwithout cause by his fleshly mind,
19 and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God.


Col 2
20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh. (KJV)

Col 2
20 If you have died with Christ to the elementary principles of the world, why, as if you were living in the world, do you submit yourself to decrees, such as,
21 “Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!” 22 (which all refer to things destined to perish with use)—in accordance with the commandments and teachings of men?
23 These are matters which have, to be sure, the appearance of wisdom in self-made religion and self-abasement and severe treatment of the body, but are of no value against fleshly indulgence.(NASB)

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In Mark 7:6-13 the Jews were simply "making stuff up" to get around one of the TEN Commandments - and of course Christ condemned them for that.

In Mark 2:19-22 they did it as well and Christ refuted their arguments.

Is it any wonder that in Col 2 the saints were contending with the same problem of man-made-doctrine and traditions -- "making stuff up"??

Not at all surprising.

In Col 2 - Paul is focused on the problem of refuting the practice of 'making stuff up'

Do you think anyone take you seriously

That is the sort of nonsense that the OP is pointing out.

Even D.L. Moody - "Gets the point" --

 

[BobRyan]

D.L. Moody writes in favor of God's TEN Commandments as do many other Bible scholars and pastors - even pro-sunday ones.


http://www.fbinstitute.com/moody/The_TenCommandments_Text.html

BY THE
DWIGHT L. MOODY
The Ten Commandments:
Exodus 20:2-17
.
The Fourth Commandment


Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.​

[FONT=&quot]THERE HAS BEEN an awful letting-down in this country regarding the Sabbath during the last twenty-five years, and many a man has been shorn of spiritual power, like Samson, because he is not straight on this question. Can you say that you observe the Sabbath properly? You may be a professed Christian: are you obeying this commandment? Or do you neglect the house of God on the Sabbath day, and spend your time drinking and carousing in places of vice and crime, showing contempt for God and His law? Are you ready to step into the scales? Where were you last Sabbath? How did you spend it?

I honestly believe that this commandment is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place.
"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27)
It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes;

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[Bob S]

This sort of "less-than Bible response" is not one we who value "sola scriptura" will be taking seriously. Simply making papal pronouncements does not substitute for the Word of God.

Tithing for Christians is not "sola scriptural". Would you care to discuss it further?

 

[Travis93]

I've decided I'm going to look for a congregation near me that keeps the feasts and Sabbath before I ask to rework my schedule, to make sure I am on the same calendar as them. By the way, is traveling to Israel still a requirement for the three pilgrimage feasts or did that only apply when the temple was still in existence? I'm aware in the millennial kingdom I will have to travel there every time, but the temple will be back at that point, I'm wondering about right now.

 

[Bob S]

I've decided I'm going to look for a congregation near me that keeps the feasts and Sabbath before I ask to rework my schedule, to make sure I am on the same calendar as them. By the way, is traveling to Israel still a requirement for the three pilgrimage feasts or did that only apply when the temple was still in existence? I'm aware in the millennial kingdom I will have to travel there every time, but the temple will be back at that point, I'm wondering about right now.

There is no priesthood, so it is impossible to be Torah observant. Read the 613 laws that pertain to torah observance and see how many you would be able to keep.

I am very sorry we could not impress you with the fact that Christians are not subject to the old covenant. I would like to know what makes you think we are. Don't you believe Jesus is enough?

 

[Travis93]

There is no priesthood, so it is impossible to be Torah observant. Read the 613 laws that pertain to torah observance and see how many you would be able to keep.

I am very sorry we could not impress you with the fact that Christians are not subject to the old covenant. I would like to know what makes you think we are. Don't you believe Jesus is enough?

There are numerous warnings about false prophets trying to lead people away from the law such as Deuteronomy 13:1-5, Isaiah 8:20, and Ezekiel 22:26-28.

If Jesus told us we weren't to follow the law, he would be a false prophet and faith in him would be useless. But he didn't, look at Matthew 5:17-19 and Matthew 23:2-3.

What about the apostles? Same thing, if they disregarded the law they would be false, but look at Romans 3:31, 1 John 2:6, and Revelation 14:12.

 

[bugkiller]

in Col 2 - we do not find Paul condemning the Bible, no condemnation of eating, no condemnation of drinking - and no condemnation of God's Sabbath as we find it in the Ten Commandments.

Col 2 is about making up a rule and judging others of being guilty of sin because they differ with you, even if that invented rule is related to a Bible command.

But Col 2 is not an attempt by Paul to delete the scriptures. Rather Paul condemns the idea of making stuff up that is not in scripture at all - where the only source/authority is "man".

Col 2:18 Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflatedwithout cause by his fleshly mind,
19 and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God.


Col 2
20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh. (KJV)

Col 2
20 If you have died with Christ to the elementary principles of the world, why, as if you were living in the world, do you submit yourself to decrees, such as,
21 “Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!” 22 (which all refer to things destined to perish with use)—in accordance with the commandments and teachings of men?
23 These are matters which have, to be sure, the appearance of wisdom in self-made religion and self-abasement and severe treatment of the body, but are of no value against fleshly indulgence.(NASB)

=========================

In Mark 7:6-13 the Jews were simply "making stuff up" to get around one of the TEN Commandments - and of course Christ condemned them for that.

In Mark 2:19-22 they did it as well and Christ refuted their arguments.

Is it any wonder that in Col 2 the saints were contending with the same problem of man-made-doctrine and traditions -- "making stuff up"??

Not at all surprising.

In Col 2 - Paul is focused on the problem of refuting the practice of 'making stuff up'




That is the sort of nonsense that the OP is pointing out.

Even D.L. Moody - "Gets the point" --

According to you DL Moody preaches the keeping of the 4th while he him self doesn't. so I don't understand why you keep post this false information.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

I've decided I'm going to look for a congregation near me that keeps the feasts and Sabbath before I ask to rework my schedule, to make sure I am on the same calendar as them. By the way, is traveling to Israel still a requirement for the three pilgrimage feasts or did that only apply when the temple was still in existence? I'm aware in the millennial kingdom I will have to travel there every time, but the temple will be back at that point, I'm wondering about right now.

You interested in a travel agency business? It will go gang busters.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

There are numerous warnings about false prophets trying to lead people away from the law such as Deuteronomy 13:1-5, Isaiah 8:20, and Ezekiel 22:26-28.

If Jesus told us we weren't to follow the law, he would be a false prophet and faith in him would be useless. But he didn't, look at Matthew 5:17-19 and Matthew 23:2-3.

What about the apostles? Same thing, if they disregarded the law they would be false, but look at Romans 3:31, 1 John 2:6, and Revelation 14:12.

Its obvious you either haven't read the Scripture or don't believe it.

bugkiller

 

[Bob S]

There are numerous warnings about false prophets trying to lead people away from the law such as Deuteronomy 13:1-5, Isaiah 8:20, and Ezekiel 22:26-28.

If Jesus told us we weren't to follow the law, he would be a false prophet and faith in him would be useless. But he didn't, look at Matthew 5:17-19 and Matthew 23:2-3.

What about the apostles? Same thing, if they disregarded the law they would be false, but look at Romans 3:31, 1 John 2:6, and Revelation 14:12.

I am sorry for you Travis. It is evident that you have been brainwashed into believing complete untruths. Do you see a "10" in front of commandments there in Rev 14:12? Of curse not because John in 1jn3:19-24 tells us what the commands are for Christians 19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: 20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. 21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

It is a fact that you have been duped just as were your peers. Just what is the implication concerning 1Jn 2:6? 6 Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did. What does 2or 3:7-11 mean?
7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Just your opinion Bob... although you do seem to think it means something.

 

[Bob S]

Just your opinion Bob... although you do seem to think it means something.

In most of my posts I quote scripture and that is certainly not my opinion friend.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

In most of my posts I quote scripture and that is certainly not my opinion friend.

Your interpretation of it certainly is...

 

[Bob S]

Your interpretation of it certainly is...

I don't interpret scripture , it doesn't need my interpretation.

 

[BobRyan]

There are numerous warnings about false prophets trying to lead people away from the law such as Deuteronomy 13:1-5, Isaiah 8:20, and Ezekiel 22:26-28.

If Jesus told us we weren't to follow the law, he would be a false prophet and faith in him would be useless. But he didn't, look at Matthew 5:17-19 and Matthew 23:2-3.

What about the apostles? Same thing, if they disregarded the law they would be false, but look at Romans 3:31, 1 John 2:6, and Revelation 14:12.

Very true and Eph 6:2 - showing the TEN Commandments are all still valid ... so also James 2.