I work second shift Monday through Saturday, 3pm through 11pm, and the place isn't open on Sunday at all. I'm aware the weekly Sabbath is sundown Friday through sundown Saturday. For me that would mean I'd have to take off both Friday and Saturday every week. Should I ask to move to another shift and still take a day off every week or just find another job? That's not even counting all the New Moons and feasts which I've never done before. This is all so new to me, I need some guidance. How do I go from the Gregorian calendar I'm used to towards the true calendar the Bible uses?
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About taking off work to observe the Sabbaths and other holy days
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I pray that I can help you through this dilemma. I too was faced with either or and had a very hard time finding work. This problem can easily be solved by diligent study of the scriptures.
First I would like to introduce to Sabbath 101 (my naming). God, in all time, has never ever asked any nation or individual to observe a day, any day accept the nation of Israel. If you were a Jew yes God demanded Sabbath and all the feast days to be holy days. God made a covenant with Israel that ended because Israel continuously broke the covenant. That covenant we now refer to as the old covenant is now nothing but history. It actually ended when Jesus uttered the words "it is finished". He came and kept that covenant for Israel then introduced a new covenant not like the one with Israel. He also made this covenant with all mankind not just Israel. The covenant He made with all mankind is one of choice. He asks us to believe in Him, accept His grace and love one another as he loves us. Love is all encompassing. All the laws of the old covenant that pertain to how we treat our fellow man is included in the love covenant. There are no rituals accept the Lord's Supper and marriage in the new covenant. By rituals I mean Sabbath, feast days and new moon celebrations. Those ritual days are but a shadow today. Paul writes this in Col 2: 16-17 16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
Paul further tells us in 2Cor 3:7-11 that the 10 commandments were indeed temporary laws and that they have been replaced by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, the gift from Jesus to all of us.
7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone,(the 10 commandments) came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory (temporary) though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!
John in 1Jn3:19-24 tells us, without a doubt, what the commandments are for Christians. If Christians are to observe days John would certainly have given us that information in what he wrote there. He wrote this: This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: then he proceeds to tell us exactly what we are asked to do to please Jesus. 20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. 21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.
Isn't that the most beautiful and to the point help for you, me and all those that claim Jesus as our personal Savior. Any place where John mentions commandments he is not putting a 10 in front of commandments. The real fact is that it is only us who tries to interpret commandments as 10 commandments of the old covenant.
It is only by being persuaded by some well intentioned person or persons that we pretty much blindly accept that we must observe days. Scripture can and is twisted in such a way that seems to say we must do this or that. That is how cults get people to join with them in false obedience to God. If God had wanted Christians to observe days He would have told us in the New Testament. Just the opposite is true, we have to go to the obsolete old covenant to get the cue as to how to keep all of the law that expired at the Cross.
There are many compelling verses in the New Testament that support the above truths. Read the book of Galatians especially chapter 3. Please do not go blindly into something that someday you will regret doing. Don't allow some well intentioned person to guide you into believing their brand of belief. Study for yourself.
May God bless you as you make a most important decision.
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Talk to your employer and let them know what you need to do. Be polite but also be firm and absolute. Most employers are accommodating, especially if you let them know in advance about certain days you need off regarding your religious beliefs. Don't be rude or condescending about it - just be forthcoming and straight forward.
If you have the option to move to another shift and take off a day, then do it. It is more important to honor God than to honor any man or a job. If God says don't work on the 7th day(the 4th commandment), don't work on the 7th day, no matter what anybody tells you.
If your employer refuses to honor your religious beliefs, then you should find another employer. Why should you stay in a job that requires you to work on and break Shabbat(which is a sin)? Same for the feast days. Obeying YAH is more important than anything else you do while you're alive. If it comes down to choosing between a job and the Father, choose the Father
Keep us posted!
If you have the option to move to another shift and take off a day, then do it. It is more important to honor God than to honor any man or a job. If God says don't work on the 7th day(the 4th commandment), don't work on the 7th day, no matter what anybody tells you.
If your employer refuses to honor your religious beliefs, then you should find another employer. Why should you stay in a job that requires you to work on and break Shabbat(which is a sin)? Same for the feast days. Obeying YAH is more important than anything else you do while you're alive. If it comes down to choosing between a job and the Father, choose the Father
Keep us posted!
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Oh sure, it is very easy to tell him to do something that will take two days of income from him every week. Then I bet you would also tell him to do the false tithing that cults demand on the little income he would be getting. You tell him to do these things and cannot prove from scripture that it is something Christians are demanded to do.
You have not proved that by observing days you are honoring God. That is very much a misnomer.
Prove that Christians are sinning by not observing days set aside in the old covenant for the Israelites only.
I agree. The problem is that someone has put into his head and yours that it is sin if you do not observe days that were given to Israel only. Read my previous post and tell me what I wrote is not true. It is all sound scripture, not some man made bunch of twisted reasoning that got Travis in the mess he is now faced with.
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If one even does business with such a company they're breaking the Sabbath commandment. Which mean if your electric meter turns on the Sabbath you didn't comply with the commandment.
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I don't mind having less income, according to Matthew 6:19-21 Jesus doesn't want me to focus on laying up treasure in this life. Anyway I tried asking the supervisor and he seemed baffled at it, saying that's just "old testament". I wasn't very bold since I'm having a hard time coming to terms with the idea that most Christians misinterpreted this for centuries. But Matthew 5:17-20 is quite clear, heaven and earth haven't passed away so every law must stand. Is this a salvation issue? Isn't the Holy Spirit supposed to lead believers into the truth, how did this extreme oversight stand the test of time?
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You missed one little word.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
This is explained and confirmed by the Apostle Paul in the Book of Galatians.
Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
(The law came 430 years "after" the promise to Abraham.)
Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
(Our inheritance does not come through the law. It comes through the promise to Abraham, which is Christ in verse 16.)
Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
(The law was added because of transgressions until Christ could come. He did come, about 2,000 years ago.)
In Galatians chapter 4 the Apostle Paul compares the Sinai covenant to bondage and compels the Galatian church to cast out the Sinai covenant of bondage.
Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
(This is New Jerusalem, which is now in heaven, based on Hebrews 11:16.)
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
We are children of the New Covenant instead of the Old.
Hebrews 8:13 plainly says the Sinai covenant is now "obsolete".
Let it go. It has served its purpose.
Quit listening to the modern Judaisers.
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Is he going to honor your request? Are you going to be able to switch to a different shift? What came of the conversation?
Don't be afraid to stand for what you believe in. Christians have been misinterpreting and twisting Paul's letters to their destruction for thousands of years. Peter wrote about that.
Mainstream christianity is false and deceived. Protestant churches are merely daughters of the biggest harlot of them all: the Catholic Church
remember what got humans into trouble with God in the first place: disobeying his commands. This got Israel into trouble time and time again.
The devil wants you to live a life of not obeying God's commands. Anybody encouraging you to not keep God's commandments is of the devil. He convinced Eve to eat the fruit, which was against God's commandment and look what happened...
Do you honestly think the Holy Spirit is gonna lead you to not keep God's commands? it's SATAN that doesn't want us to keep God's commands and live a lawless life. Why would the spirit of God lead you into a lawless life(not living according to God's commands)?
“Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.”
Revelation 22:14 KJV
“For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.”
1 John 5:3 KJV
“Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.”
Isaiah 56:6-7 KJV
“If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: Then shalt thou delight thyself in the Lord; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.”
Isaiah 58:13-14 KJV
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Do you really think most Christians have misinterpreted it or maybe it is your peers that have influenced you wrong? Years ago when I was approached by a Sabbath observer I allowed him and them to persuade me I was the one who was wrong. It took me years to finally figure it all out.
Please, since we have taken the time to try to help you, at least acknowledge our time and effort.
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Do you see a 10 in front of commandments? You would like to see one there, but the fact is there isn't any in all of John's writings. The only commandments he wrote about are believing in Jesus and loving our fellow man. You are deceiving others by writing what you write.
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If you are a Christian, really then:
This is the day the Lord has made;
We will rejoice and be glad in it. - Psalm 118:24
Every day belongs to God, and every day, we live inside the Sabbath, which is God's rest.
Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience. - Hebrews 4:11
Laboring to enter his rest is something a Christian should do every day, it is a total lifestyle that we live. It is not reserved for the Sabbath day. It was for Jews, but we were redeemed by Christ from the fall where Adam no longer had any rest. 1 day of rest was given to the Jews as a symbol and a type.
Yet to Christians, we are given the fullness of God's rest as we hold fast to him and labor in faith to enter it.
It is why I don't practice sabbaths or festivals of God. Every day I should be in his joy rejoicing! Did you know this year is a Jubilee year to God!?! For a Christian, we are in the eternal jubilee! A never ending jubilee!
I might even celebrate some of the days God appointed, but I would do it to learn from him, because those things are types and shadow, but the fullness is found in Christ.
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. - Colossians 2:17
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No sir not all of them are. Don't forget your premise includes your religious organization.
Yeppers and submitting to a woman caused it.
The devil want people (Christians) to believe you must trade grace for law and submit to a covenant having no jurisdiction.
Why follow the Holy Spirit if you only have to keep the law? That exactly what you're saying. My Bilbe says to be led by the Holy Spirit in Gal 5:18.
The problem isn't your quoted passage. The problem is your interpretation of said passage. You and John are talking about different sets of commandments.
Ditto my above comment.
There is only one way this passage applies to a gentile - Ex 12:48. This isn't believing in Jesus as one's Savior.
This only applies to those under the covenant given exclusively to Israel.
The attempted deception of your post sure gets old.
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I don't labor to enter that rest. I've entered that rest by faith. The years of the double tongued deceptions practiced in most churches almost cost me my relationship with God.
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How would you even observe the Sabbath now? There were a list of things Jews/Israelite's weren't allowed to do on the Sabbath. Work doesn't mean your 9-5 job. There were compiled lists of what was considered work.
Jews today even have such a list in their other holy book, though I don't put much faith in all that they consider to be work, as I don't believe in their Talmud.
But still, keep it holy and do no manner of work is pretty point blank to me. You weren't even allowed to boil your food. It's clear the Sabbath can not be properly followed now, no such compiled list exists anymore, if it was to be such a list would exist.
Jews today even have such a list in their other holy book, though I don't put much faith in all that they consider to be work, as I don't believe in their Talmud.
But still, keep it holy and do no manner of work is pretty point blank to me. You weren't even allowed to boil your food. It's clear the Sabbath can not be properly followed now, no such compiled list exists anymore, if it was to be such a list would exist.
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1. Gregorian Calendar never changed the days of the week. you can use it - it is fine.
2. Let your employer know that you have the religious obligation to keep God's Sabbath and that you are willing to work your schedule to accommodate your employer but cannot break the Sabbath.
3. Hebrews 10 says of the sacrificial system 'he takes away the first to establish the second' - so annual feast days that in the Bible require animal sacrifice are optional. Also Romans 14 says basically the same thing - that "one man observes one day above another" speaking of the Lev 23 annual holy days - "While another man observes them all" - it is personal choice.
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Christ was pretty good at keeping God's Sabbath -- and we are Christians.
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in Col 2 - we do not find Paul condemning the Bible, no condemnation of eating, no condemnation of drinking - and no condemnation of God's Sabbath as we find it in the Ten Commandments.
Col 2 is about making up a rule and judging others of being guilty of sin because they differ with you, even if that invented rule is related to a Bible command.
But Col 2 is not an attempt by Paul to delete the scriptures. Rather Paul condemns the idea of making stuff up that is not in scripture at all - where the only source/authority is "man".
Col 2:18 Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflatedwithout cause by his fleshly mind,
19 and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God.
Col 2
20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using
after the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh. (KJV)
Col 2
20 If you have died with Christ to the elementary principles of the world, why, as if you were living in the world, do you submit yourself to decrees, such as,
21 Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch! 22 (which all refer to things destined to perish with use)in accordance with the commandments and teachings of men?
23 These are matters which have, to be sure, the appearance of wisdom in self-made religion and self-abasement and severe treatment of the body, but are of no value against fleshly indulgence.(NASB)
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In Mark 7:6-13 the Jews were simply "making stuff up" to get around one of the TEN Commandments - and of course Christ condemned them for that.
In Mark 2:19-22 they did it as well and Christ refuted their arguments.
Is it any wonder that in Col 2 the saints were contending with the same problem of man-made-doctrine and traditions -- "making stuff up"??
Not at all surprising.
In Col 2 - Paul is focused on the problem of refuting the practice of 'making stuff up'
Col 2 is about making up a rule and judging others of being guilty of sin because they differ with you, even if that invented rule is related to a Bible command.
But Col 2 is not an attempt by Paul to delete the scriptures. Rather Paul condemns the idea of making stuff up that is not in scripture at all - where the only source/authority is "man".
Col 2:18 Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflatedwithout cause by his fleshly mind,
19 and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God.
Col 2
20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using
after the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh. (KJV)Col 2
20 If you have died with Christ to the elementary principles of the world, why, as if you were living in the world, do you submit yourself to decrees, such as,
21 Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch! 22 (which all refer to things destined to perish with use)in accordance with the commandments and teachings of men?
23 These are matters which have, to be sure, the appearance of wisdom in self-made religion and self-abasement and severe treatment of the body, but are of no value against fleshly indulgence.(NASB)
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In Mark 7:6-13 the Jews were simply "making stuff up" to get around one of the TEN Commandments - and of course Christ condemned them for that.
In Mark 2:19-22 they did it as well and Christ refuted their arguments.
Is it any wonder that in Col 2 the saints were contending with the same problem of man-made-doctrine and traditions -- "making stuff up"??
Not at all surprising.
In Col 2 - Paul is focused on the problem of refuting the practice of 'making stuff up'
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