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Amazing post yet you spam the thread with a multitude of one sided very long posts and say to the OP who has been a Christian for 5 months read and digest?
Come on folks. The guy has been a Christian for five months, and is discouraged over this difficult decision. He doesn't have a lot of background. And it is a complicated subject.
Yes - that is why I have kept to a very simple solution getting to "square 1". Just take a look at where "both sides agree" (and I show where that is in my relatively short post) and then start from there.
Because some Bible details are so incredibly obvious that both sides will admit to them.
You mean actually look at the texts? Yes, because that is the only way to know what the say.
And I spelled out which texts were strong for the pro-sabbath side, and why.
You may add to that if you like.
No I mean what I said earlier spam the thread with very long one sided posts to a 5 month old christian and say read and digest. Without allowing a right of reply and investigation into the premise claims and interpretations of the scriptures you provided.
So you believe it is a good thing to spam a thread with one sided long posts to a 5 month old Christian and say read and digest without allowing him to know if what you are saying is true or not true while saying to him simply read and digest?I didn't say don't reply or investigate. I said I am not going to respond to the back and forth until we lay out the texts.
Feel free to add what you want.
So you believe it is a good thing to spam a thread with one sided long posts to a 5 month old Christian and say read and digest without allowing him to know if what you are saying is true or not true?
@tall73 has already mentioned in his previous post that @fatherforgivethem will decide given all the post from the two sides of the Sabbath debate..don't worry someone will plant a seed but God is the one who grows it..So you believe it is a good thing to spam a thread with one sided long posts to a 5 month old Christian and say read and digest without allowing him to know if what you are saying is true or not true?
Anyhow I have to go out for now have a nice day all..
As a new Christian many years ago, I remember being around groups that viewed their denomination (Local Church) as having a lock on all scriptural truth with their special prophet and viewed all others as being false churches. After hearing enough of that my gut reaction was: Run Away!SDAs are taught that all other churches are part of "babylon", false churches. Why would you hang your hat on what those false churches say or do?
Do you love Jesus Christ of Nazareth?
IMO, don't worry about religious rules, christianity is all about life transformation.
While I'm writing this, I'm constantly thinking that the more I dive deep and try to learn Christianism, faith... the more I think it's a minefield. If I do one slip, one misstep and choose the wrong "followings", I'm eternally condemned to hell. Even if I love and believe in Jesus and God with all my heart, try my best to be a good person to others, if I choose the wrong one and follow it I'm doomed.
You are not in a minefield. And the Father is not trying to trip you up.
1Jn 4:9 In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him.
1Jn 4:10 In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
1Jn 4:11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.
1Jn 4:12 No one has ever seen God; if we love one another, God abides in us and his love is perfected in us.
1Jn 4:13 By this we know that we abide in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit.
1Jn 4:14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.
1Jn 4:15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.
1Jn 4:16 So we have come to know and to believe the love that God has for us. God is love, and whoever abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him.
1Jn 4:17 By this is love perfected with us, so that we may have confidence for the day of judgment, because as he is so also are we in this world.
1Jn 4:18 There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.
1Jn 4:19 We love because he first loved us.
For example, in SDA point of view, every single denomination that don't follow Sabbath is condemned eternally to hell. Even if they do what is said on this passage you mentioned.
I am sorry I respectfully disagree. You have not presented both sides of the argument at all. The truth however is you have presented your side of the argument while simply not allowing the other side of the argument to be heard while claiming your doing all this for us while giving us no say in what has been shared in your posts. Seems like a one sided discussion in my view when you do not know for example what my view is while spamming the thread with a one sided view of how you think it is and how it should be.I have presented arguments on both sides. You have presented only one side.
I am sorry I respectfully disagree. You have not presented both sides of the argument at all. The truth however is you have presented your side of the argument while simply not allowing the other side of the argument to be presented while claiming your doing all this for us.
I'm not going to try to add to the debate but instead tell you that none of us can understand scripture without God's Holy Spirit revealing it to them, so, you may want to back away from this thread and ask God.I'm a new Christian. There is 5 months or something since I started 'truly' following Jesus and God, obeying Him, learning, etc. Everything is going well, I'm learning so much. But now, looks like everything is running out of my control, I don't know what to do or to follow anymore, if I should do X or no, if I should follow Y or no.
Only one thing remains clear to me: I believe in Jesus, God, Holy Spirit and Bible.
There is many things right now I don't know what to follow or do. But in this thread, I wanna focus in just one of them: the Sabbath / the 4th commandment. It is making me desperate, overthink over and over and get worried so often.
What should I do?
I have already read the Bible arguments from SDA and they look really good. But I also read the Bible arguments from people that do not follow the Sabbath and they also look really good.
Since both really look good, I thought that the Bible is contradicting itself, but I truly believe in the Bible, I just don't know what to follow.
Arguments from SDA:
1- The 4th commandment that God gave to Moses
2- Matthew 17:3 - I don't know exactly if this is an argument, but I saw some using it.
3- Mark 7:6-13
4- Luke 16:31
5- Deuteronomy 8:11
Arguments that don't think Christians need to follow Sabbath:
1- Romans 14:5,6
2- Galatians 5:2-8
3- Galatians 4:9-11
4- Colossians 2:14-17
I am personally more inclined to the non-Sabbath verses, because they look more solid and direct on what message/meaning they are trying to get across and it is also aiming for Christians that are not Jewish, but the SDA arguments are also good.
Please, don't use articles and texts that are not from the Bible to make an argument.
And don't use "if your conscience says to..." arguments, they are so shallow, and this is a subject that is directed connected to God and Jesus and defines if you go to hell or no, because even if you do every other thing correctly, if God's Truth is that no matter who you are you should follow Sabbath, then I would say it is a condemning subject.
Yes definitely.
When I turned into a Christian, everything was "easy". I mean, I thought it was all about loving, accepting and believing in Jesus and God, loving your neighbor (which branches out into everything else) and not committing the acts of the flesh (Galatians 5:19-21), etc.
I'm a new Christian. There is 5 months or something since I started 'truly' following Jesus and God, obeying Him, learning, etc. Everything is going well, I'm learning so much. But now, looks like everything is running out of my control, I don't know what to do or to follow anymore, if I should do X or no, if I should follow Y or no.
Only one thing remains clear to me: I believe in Jesus, God, Holy Spirit and Bible.
There is many things right now I don't know what to follow or do. But in this thread, I wanna focus in just one of them: the Sabbath / the 4th commandment. It is making me desperate, overthink over and over and get worried so often.
What should I do?
I have already read the Bible arguments from SDA and they look really good. But I also read the Bible arguments from people that do not follow the Sabbath and they also look really good.
Since both really look good, I thought that the Bible is contradicting itself, but I truly believe in the Bible, I just don't know what to follow.
Arguments from SDA:
1- The 4th commandment that God gave to Moses
2- Matthew 17:3 - I don't know exactly if this is an argument, but I saw some using it.
3- Mark 7:6-13
4- Luke 16:31
5- Deuteronomy 8:11
Arguments that don't think Christians need to follow Sabbath:
1- Romans 14:5,6
2- Galatians 5:2-8
3- Galatians 4:9-11
4- Colossians 2:14-17
I am personally more inclined to the non-Sabbath verses, because they look more solid and direct on what message/meaning they are trying to get across and it is also aiming for Christians that are not Jewish, but the SDA arguments are also good.
Please, don't use articles and texts that are not from the Bible to make an argument.
And don't use "if your conscience says to..." arguments, they are so shallow, and this is a subject that is directed connected to God and Jesus and defines if you go to hell or no, because even if you do every other thing correctly, if God's Truth is that no matter who you are you should follow Sabbath, then I would say it is a condemning subject.
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